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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:40 pm 
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Playing list as it stands...

Primary list: 39
Rookie list: 6

??. Hudson O'Keeffe 16/12/04 (2023 SSP)
26. Lachie Cowan 1/12/04 (2022 ND#30)
32. Jaxon Binns 29/10/04 (2022 ND#32)
31. Harry Lemmey 30/1/04 (2022 ND#47)
14. Oliver Hollands 16/1/04 (2022 ND#11)
03. Jesse Motlop 23/11/03 (2021 ND#27)
16. Jack Carroll 20/12/02 (2020 ND#41)
41. Domanic Akuei 12/5/02 (2021 NGA Cat B rookie)
19. Corey Durdin 14/2/02 (2020 ND#37)
36. Josh Honey 17/10/01 (2019 RD#3, 2021 RU)
34. Sam Philp 4/8/01 (2019 ND#20)
17. Brodie Kemp 1/5/01 (2019 ND#17)
18. Sam Walsh 2/7/00 (2018 ND#1)
46. Matthew Cottrell 29/2/00 (2019 PRP, 2021 RD#23)
45. Alex Mirkov 17/11/99 (2021 MSD#6)
02. Paddy Dow 16/10/99 (2017 ND#3)
05. Adam Cerra 7/10/99 (2017 ND#5 Fre, 2021 Tr.P)
04. Loch O’Brien 18/9/99 (2017 ND#10, 2021 RD#6)
12. Tom DeKoning 16/7/99 (2017 ND#30)
08. Lachie Fogarty 1/4/99 (2017 ND#22 Geel, 2020 Tr.P)
33. Lewis Young 20/12/98 (2016 ND#49 WB, 2021 Tr.P)
37. Jordan Boyd 22/9/98 (2021 MSD#20)
25. Zac Fisher 15/6/98 (2016 ND#27)
10. Harry McKay 24/12/97 (2015 ND#10)
01. Jack Silvagni 17/12/97 (2015 ND F/S #53)
23. Jacob Weitering 23/11/97 (2015 ND#1)
07. Matthew Kennedy 6/4/97 (2015 ND#13 GWS, 2017 Tr.P, 2021 RU)
28. David Cuningham 30/3/97 (2015 ND#23)
44. Matthew Owies 19/3/97 (2018 Cat B Rookie)
30. Charlie Curnow 3/2/97 (2015 ND#12)
22. Caleb Marchbank 7/12/96 (2014 ND#6 GWS, 2016 Tr.P)
??. Alex Cincotta 17/12/96 (2023 SSP)
38. Sam Durdin 6/6/96 (2014 ND#16 NM, 2022 MSD #13)
27. Marc Pittonet 3/6/96 (2014 ND#50, 2019 Tr.P)
29. George Hewett 29/12/95 (2013 ND#32 Syd, 2021 FA)
13. Blake Acres 7/10/95 (2013 ND#19, 2022 Tr.P)
09. Patrick Cripps 18/3/95 (2013 ND#13)
21. Jack Martin 29/1/95 (2012 MD#1 GCS, 2019 PSD#1)
11. Mitch McGovern 11/10/94 (2014 ND#43 Ade, 2018 Tr.P)
06. Zac Williams 20/9/94 (2013 RD#54 GWS, 2020 Tr.P)
20. Lachie Plowman 11//9/94 (2012 ND#3 GWS, 2015 Tr.P)
42. Adam Saad 23/7/94 (2015 RD#25 GCS, 2017 Tr.P *, 2020 Tr.P)
15. Sam Docherty 17/10/93 (2011 ND#12 Bris, 2013 Tr.P)
24. Nic Newman 15/1/93 (2015 RD#35 Syd, 2018 Tr.P)
35. Edward Curnow 7/11/89 (2010 RD#18, 2013 ND#89, 2022 RD#10)


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:08 am 
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Only 3 players remaining from pre-rebuild commencement in 2015. (Cripps, Docherty, Curnow)

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Great stuff Rexy.
That's a bloody huge effort. :thumbsup:

1 player over 30 and only 3 who are 29+. Great for the future.
Compare that to Collingwood. At least 9 of their GF side are 29 or older.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Happy 18th Birthday Lachie Cowan!

Feels like only yesterday he was a recently drafted 17 year old…

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:00 pm 
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19 contracts up for renewal.

Medium Forwards: Kemp, Silvagni, Akuei

Small Forwards: Motlop

Key Defenders: S.Durdin, Young

Medium Defenders: Marchbank, Plowman, McGovern

Small Defenders: Docherty, Newman

Rucks: Pittonet, De Koning

Inside Mids: Dow, Honey, Philp, Fogarty

Versatile Mids: E.Curnow

Outside Mids: Cuningham


Not much trade capital there. Those that might attract a buyer are the ones we don’t want to sell.

We’ll have to trade our 2024 R1 pick if we’re going to take two inside 30 next year. Hopefully one of these Camporeale boys levels up so we won’t miss it… just in time for the league to change the bidding rules.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:57 pm 
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GWS wrote:
Happy 18th Birthday Lachie Cowan!

Feels like only yesterday he was a recently drafted 17 year old…

:grin: :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:59 pm 
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Do we still have a vacant spot on our list?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:38 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Great stuff Rexy.
That's a bloody huge effort. :thumbsup:

1 player over 30 and only 3 who are 29+. Great for the future.
Compare that to Collingwood. At least 9 of their GF side are 29 or older.

How far are we off the reigning premier's age profile?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:19 pm 
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GWS wrote:
Happy 18th Birthday Lachie Cowan!

Feels like only yesterday he was a recently drafted 17 year old…


:lol: :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:45 pm 
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Rexy

Thanks for the bank of Info

Ed was born in the 80's

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Nice list . Trouble is there is not enough mongrel in there . We need a couple with a bit of drop punt in them .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:03 pm 
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So….have we sufficiently improved our list?

Here are the changes since January 2022 (I’m happy to be told if I have missed something!)-

Out:
Setterfield
Stocker
Newnes
Williamson
Parks
OMac
2023 Rd 2 pick
2023 Rd 3 pick
(I haven’t included Jones because he was gone before January 2022 or Hayes because he came and went within that time period)

In:
Acres
Hollands
Cowan
Binns
Lemmey
S.Durdin
2023 Rd 4 pick

It will take 3 years to properly judge this trade/draft period, but here’s a few random thoughts at this point FWIW-

* This has been the most “needs based” approach I can remember us taking since 2010 (the Watson, McCarthy, Mitchell, McInnes draft) - hopefully it turns out better than that! I’m glad we brought in some outside run, but I do wonder if we overcorrected somewhat.

* Setterfield & Stocker leaving and us getting nothing in return was disappointing. What people say about Stocker’s work rate may or may not be true - but I can only go by what my eyes see on game day. He wasn’t a perfect footballer, but I think he was in our top 30. People pulled the same “just get him out, he’s bad for culture” card when we let Mitch Robinson, Jeff Garlett & Jeremy Laidler go for nothing. The Setterfield situation reminds me of the Shaun Grigg scenario.

* I’m seeing Acres as a minor upgrade on Newnes - that’s not a pot shot because I thought Newnes gave us good service (he just found himself in the backline one too many times in the end…).

* You can have the best list in the world but it doesn’t do you much good if you keep getting more injuries than your competitors. It has to be more than bad luck. We MUST get better at injury prevention/management and building resilient players.

* It’s interesting that we traded out of the 2nd & 3rd round of next year’s draft. That says to me that the club is backing itself to finish higher up next season. It also could suggest the club doesn’t expect any of our father/sons to be rated in the top 50 next year.

* Excluding our new draftees, I consider Akuei, Fogarty, Philp & E.Curnow to be our bottom four going into 2023. Special mention to Cunners (not on ability, simply because he never plays!) and Mirkov (who is still raw, but I’m a little more optimistic than some that he will make it). All the aforementioned - plus Dow, Honey, Kemp, Marchbank & S.Durdin - have the onus squarely on them to prove why they should be retained beyond 2023.

Go Blues!!

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:18 pm 
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* You can have the best list in the world but it doesn’t do you much good if you keep getting more injuries than your competitors. It has to be more than bad luck. We MUST get better at injury prevention/management and building resilient players.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Mickstar wrote:
Nice list . Trouble is there is not enough mongrel in there . We need a couple with a bit of drop punt in them .



I have a feeling Cowan does

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:29 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
So….have we sufficiently improved our list?

Here are the changes since January 2022 (I’m happy to be told if I have missed something!)-

Out:
Setterfield
Stocker
Newnes
Williamson
Parks
OMac
2023 Rd 2 pick
2023 Rd 3 pick
(I haven’t included Jones because he was gone before January 2022 or Hayes because he came and went within that time period)

In:
Acres
Hollands
Cowan
Binns
Lemmey
S.Durdin
2023 Rd 4 pick

It will take 3 years to properly judge this trade/draft period, but here’s a few random thoughts at this point FWIW-

* This has been the most “needs based” approach I can remember us taking since 2010 (the Watson, McCarthy, Mitchell, McInnes draft) - hopefully it turns out better than that! I’m glad we brought in some outside run, but I do wonder if we overcorrected somewhat.

* Setterfield & Stocker leaving and us getting nothing in return was disappointing. What people say about Stocker’s work rate may or may not be true - but I can only go by what my eyes see on game day. He wasn’t a perfect footballer, but I think he was in our top 30. People pulled the same “just get him out, he’s bad for culture” card when we let Mitch Robinson, Jeff Garlett & Jeremy Laidler go for nothing. The Setterfield situation reminds me of the Shaun Grigg scenario.

* I’m seeing Acres as a minor upgrade on Newnes - that’s not a pot shot because I thought Newnes gave us good service (he just found himself in the backline one too many times in the end…).

* You can have the best list in the world but it doesn’t do you much good if you keep getting more injuries than your competitors. It has to be more than bad luck. We MUST get better at injury prevention/management and building resilient players.

* It’s interesting that we traded out of the 2nd & 3rd round of next year’s draft. That says to me that the club is backing itself to finish higher up next season. It also could suggest the club doesn’t expect any of our father/sons to be rated in the top 50 next year.

* Excluding our new draftees, I consider Akuei, Fogarty, Philp & E.Curnow to be our bottom four going into 2023. Special mention to Cunners (not on ability, simply because he never plays!) and Mirkov (who is still raw, but I’m a little more optimistic than some that he will make it). All the aforementioned - plus Dow, Honey, Kemp, Marchbank & S.Durdin - have the onus squarely on them to prove why they should be retained beyond 2023.

Go Blues!!

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That's a good summary abns.

Stocker will be a controversial decision. A lot of emotion attached to the pick on draft night, and with that expectation. Time will tell.

Setterfield wanted to stay. His situation was more similar to the Tuohy push imo. Grigg the sleezebag was staying till he returned from holidays with his Bluies mates and shafted us. Setterfield nothing like that sleeze Grigg situation other than the pick in return.

Amazing how Philp is only 21yo and looked amazing in his first and only games before injury with his pace and tackling and good shot at goal. Says more about our list than the quality of Philp. Binns, albeit shorter may go past Philp with his endurance and pace...did I mention his 39 possessions vs Allies.

I see a group continuing to grow together. Injuries and age have crueled us, but on the flip side the youthfulness of the group gives us a lot of upside.

For me, we have the list to contend, (if we stay fir) and our improvement will come from our ruck division. If TDK can become that reliable forward and builds strength over summer, watch out AFL. Like most coaches these days, Voss will play 2 rucks. SOS and Grigg were plugs in the past.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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CK95 wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Nice list . Trouble is there is not enough mongrel in there . We need a couple with a bit of drop punt in them .



I have a feeling Cowan does


Funny you should say the CK coz though i have not heard anything to suggest he has mongrel in him BUT , he's got that look about him . Just the look of the bloke makes you think he could be the one .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 10:51 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Nice list . Trouble is there is not enough mongrel in there . We need a couple with a bit of drop punt in them .



I have a feeling Cowan does


Funny you should say the CK coz though i have not heard anything to suggest he has mongrel in him BUT , he's got that look about him . Just the look of the bloke makes you think he could be the one .


Ditto

He looks tougher and angrier than Mitch Robinson ... imo.
He has looks over Robinson though.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:13 am 
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Are we going to add a 44th or not?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:41 pm 
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I don't know what it is but something tells me the kids we drafted in the last draft might end up terrific players for us, that it will be a great draft.
They all looked really fit for drafted kids, they can kick and have a bit of dash. Just seems the right ingredients.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:33 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
I don't know what it is but something tells me the kids we drafted in the last draft might end up terrific players for us, that it will be a great draft.
They all looked really fit for drafted kids, they can kick and have a bit of dash. Just seems the right ingredients.



With the Acres Trade filling a gap, Hollands, Cowan, Binns and Lemmey have plenty of time to develop. Many are suggesting Hollands can compete at AFL level. No pressure to do so. If they stay fit as they have thus far inm their career, Acres and Cottrell will be great on the wings for us. If Hollands passes either, then we have a beauty on our hands.

We have definitely improved our list.

Having watched all the 2022 games again this week, I got to see Honey again. I didn't really notice him during the year, but I can see why I thought he would be best 23 prior to 2022 season. I didnt really notice kemp either during the 2022 season, but having watched the games, with less emotion, Kempy did really well too. So often he was looking after a player who was much bigger then him (Taberner, Lobb, Ryder...).

What I'm getting at is this list now has reliable replacements for our injury prone players Martin, Gov, Marchy and Williams: Honey, Boyd, S.Durdin, Kemp...

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