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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:23 am 
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Can't have a best 23 without Doc, he's top 5.



Holy Moly, I can't believe Doc has been left out.

Regardless what some think, Doc has proven he can play mid, wing, HF and HB with aplomb.
He's a footballer's footballer.

Smart footballer let alone courageous, tough and a great on field leader.

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:25 am 
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What's our best 23 heading into finals?

Anyone likely to be available this season can be used

B: N. Newman, J. Weitering, B. Kemp

HB: A. Cincotta, M. McGovern, A. Saad

C: O. Hollands, P. Cripps, B. Acres

HF: D. Cunningham, H. McKay, J. Martin

F: J. Motlop, C. Curnow, M. Owies

Foll: T. De Koning, A. Cerra, S. Walsh

I/C: G. Hewett, J. Boyd, J Silvagni, M.Cottrell

Sub: P. Dow

Played against Saints but not included
Fogarty, Doc, Marchbank, Ed, Fisher (toss up between him and Boyd, we'll know more in a couple of weeks)


As good as Hewett is, I think Doc gives more flexibility and pace.


and I'd have Doc in before Dow, and Boyd, and if it was for HB between Cincotta and Doc, no brainer: Doc. I love Cincotta.

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:05 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
What's our best 23 heading into finals?

Anyone likely to be available this season can be used

B: N. Newman, J. Weitering, B. Kemp

HB: A. Cincotta, M. McGovern, A. Saad

C: O. Hollands, P. Cripps, B. Acres

HF: D. Cunningham, H. McKay, J. Martin

F: J. Motlop, C. Curnow, M. Owies

Foll: T. De Koning, A. Cerra, S. Walsh

I/C: G. Hewett, J. Boyd, J Silvagni, M.Cottrell

Sub: P. Dow

Played against Saints but not included
Fogarty, Doc, Marchbank, Ed, Fisher (toss up between him and Boyd, we'll know more in a couple of weeks)



Doc has to be in and I would probably take Motlop out for him and put Cottrell forward.


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 12:56 pm 
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If fit, I'd pick

B: Boyd Weitering McGovern
HB: Newman Kemp Saad
C: Acres Cripps Docherty
HF: Owies McKay Cuningham
F: Martin Curnow Silvagni
Foll: TDK Cerra Walsh
Int: Hewett Fisher Hollands Motlop (Dow)

Bloody unlucky: Kennedy Cincotta Cottrell Pittonet Curnow Fogarty C.Durdin S.Durdin Marchbank but I can't fit them all in


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:29 pm 
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The fact that Harry can't/won't take the relieving ruck role reduces our flexibility. Look at the impact Daniher is having at Brisbane and the flexibility it gives them. I'd tell him to harden up and give us the option.

I like Farmer's team with a couple of minor tweaks.

B: Boyd Weitering McGovern
HB: Newman Kemp Saad
C: Acres Cripps Docherty
HF: Owies Martin Cuningham
F: McKay Curnow Motlop
Foll: TDK Cerra Walsh
Int: Hewett Fogarty Cottrell Cincotta (Kennedy)

Our forward line is working well and shouldn't have wholesale disruption just to bring mids back in.
Cincotta deserves to keep the 7th defender role until someone takes it off him. Same with Cottrell playing H/F rotating 3rd wingman. Same with Fogarty who brings elite pressure and clean hands around the ball.
I think we're too slow with Charlie, Harry and JSOS inside 50.

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 1:38 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
The fact that Harry can't/won't take the relieving ruck role reduces our flexibility. Look at the impact Daniher is having at Brisbane and the flexibility it gives them. I'd tell him to harden up and give us the option.

I like Farmer's team with a couple of minor tweaks.

B: Boyd Weitering McGovern
HB: Newman Kemp Saad
C: Acres Cripps Docherty
HF: Owies Martin Cuningham
F: McKay Curnow Motlop
Foll: TDK Cerra Walsh
Int: Hewett Fogarty Cottrell Cincotta (Kennedy)

Our forward line is working well and shouldn't have wholesale disruption just to bring mids back in.
Cincotta deserves to keep the 7th defender role until someone takes it off him. Same with Cottrell playing H/F rotating 3rd wingman. Same with Fogarty who brings elite pressure and clean hands around the ball.
I think we're too slow with Charlie, Harry and JSOS inside 50.


Def agree with what you say about H. He basically needs to be told he must be prepared to play that relieving ruck role when in the side. Gives us far more flexibility.
Much prefer our side with TDK as the sole ruck but if that's the case need someone (H) to be prepared to do the back up duties.


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 Post subject: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:16 pm 
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I still think Charlie, Harry, JSOS is a good forward mix with JSOS providing the chop out to TDK. Rather than telling Harry he has to play ruck, I’d be telling JSOS he has to replicate the pressure that Fogarty puts on in order to replace him


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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great point about harry and his limitations in the ruck.


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:46 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
The fact that Harry can't/won't take the relieving ruck role reduces our flexibility. Look at the impact Daniher is having at Brisbane and the flexibility it gives them. I'd tell him to harden up and give us the option.


I have been saying this for a long while. He must prepare for it next pre season. With TDK on the improve having McKay & Silvagni doing Ruck minutes keeps them fresh and involved in the game. It gives us tremendous flexibility. McKay could be a weapon.

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 2:49 pm 
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The team we picked for freo only TDK instead of Young.

Kennedy plays ahead of Hewitt. Better in the air and hits the scoreboard. Hewitt sub.

One of Motty, Owies and Fog miss for H from current team.

Fisher/Boyd can battle it out.

Brodie Kemp, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
Jordan Boyd, Mitch McGovern, Adam Saad
Blake Acres, Patrick Cripps, Matthew Cottrell
Motlop , Charlie Curnow, Matthew Owies
David Cuningham, Harry McKay, Sam Walsh
TDK, Adam Cerra, Sam Docherty

Jack Silvagni,
Matthew Kennedy,
Jack Martin,
Alex Cincotta


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:10 pm 
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Do you lot think the footy gods won’t notice that this is basically ‘who are we picking for week one of the finals’?

The audacity…

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 3:23 pm 
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Not me. Best 23 if all available..
I haven't looked past the next opponent for a while.

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 Post subject: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:53 pm 
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club29 wrote:
The team we picked for freo only TDK instead of Young.

Kennedy plays ahead of Hewitt. Better in the air and hits the scoreboard. Hewitt sub.

One of Motty, Owies and Fog miss for H from current team.

Fisher/Boyd can battle it out.

Brodie Kemp, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
Jordan Boyd, Mitch McGovern, Adam Saad
Blake Acres, Patrick Cripps, Matthew Cottrell
Motlop , Charlie Curnow, Matthew Owies
David Cuningham, Harry McKay, Sam Walsh
TDK, Adam Cerra, Sam Docherty

Jack Silvagni,
Matthew Kennedy,
Jack Martin,
Alex Cincotta


This looks pretty bang on


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:15 pm 
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Yup….

that’s a good squad right there hey…!

now for them to be the best…”team”…!


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:50 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Not me. Best 23 if all available..
I haven't looked past the next opponent for a while.


Fits the theme of the thread. Best 23 in 2023.

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:04 am 
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club29 wrote:
The team we picked for freo only TDK instead of Young.

Kennedy plays ahead of Hewitt. Better in the air and hits the scoreboard. Hewitt sub.

One of Motty, Owies and Fog miss for H from current team.

Fisher/Boyd can battle it out.

Brodie Kemp, Jacob Weitering, Nic Newman
Jordan Boyd, Mitch McGovern, Adam Saad
Blake Acres, Patrick Cripps, Matthew Cottrell
Motlop , Charlie Curnow, Matthew Owies
David Cuningham, Harry McKay, Sam Walsh
TDK, Adam Cerra, Sam Docherty

Jack Silvagni,
Matthew Kennedy,
Jack Martin,
Alex Cincotta


No RS running man.
There's going to be some very disappointed players over the next 3-8 weeks.

Fantastic to see such great form from our depth players.

No way will we leave out our star players, Harry Walsh and Cerra out of the team.
Can't see a team without Kennedy and Boyd either.

I'm in the Hewett ahead of Kennedy camp, but love to see them both in for Finals footy.

I think its Vossy who chooses not to play his CHF, Harry, in around the ground ruck role.
Nothing suggests that Harry needs to harden up. He rucks in the forward line when SOS doesnt.

I like the idea of TDK in the ruck with Harry and Silvagni giving the chop out, let alone variation.

How good is it making up the Best 23 when we are currently the best team over the last 7 rounds!

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:12 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
The fact that Harry can't/won't take the relieving ruck role reduces our flexibility. Look at the impact Daniher is having at Brisbane and the flexibility it gives them. I'd tell him to harden up and give us the option.

I like Farmer's team with a couple of minor tweaks.

B: Boyd Weitering McGovern
HB: Newman Kemp Saad
C: Acres Cripps Docherty
HF: Owies Martin Cuningham
F: McKay Curnow Motlop
Foll: TDK Cerra Walsh
Int: Hewett Fogarty Cottrell Cincotta (Kennedy)

Our forward line is working well and shouldn't have wholesale disruption just to bring mids back in.
Cincotta deserves to keep the 7th defender role until someone takes it off him. Same with Cottrell playing H/F rotating 3rd wingman. Same with Fogarty who brings elite pressure and clean hands around the ball.
I think we're too slow with Charlie, Harry and JSOS inside 50.


Of all the TC posters, I would have thought you'd be the last to have Kennedy out of your best 22, and you've let go of your mantra that the AA HB should be playing HB.

Agree re Cincotta. Ditto Cottrell.
Fisher is playing the spare in defence. I dont think that will happen in a Finals game.

Hollands is the hard one to leave out. Its all hard to leave out anyone in this form, and glad it is.
Fog is bringing the heat. I'd give Hollands the nod of the two. But totally respect the value you put on Fog.
Farmer and I were in love with what Fog did 3 weeks in a row in the VFL as an inside mid before being selected in the AFL.

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:54 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
The fact that Harry can't/won't take the relieving ruck role reduces our flexibility. Look at the impact Daniher is having at Brisbane and the flexibility it gives them. I'd tell him to harden up and give us the option.

I like Farmer's team with a couple of minor tweaks.

B: Boyd Weitering McGovern
HB: Newman Kemp Saad
C: Acres Cripps Docherty
HF: Owies Martin Cuningham
F: McKay Curnow Motlop
Foll: TDK Cerra Walsh
Int: Hewett Fogarty Cottrell Cincotta (Kennedy)

Our forward line is working well and shouldn't have wholesale disruption just to bring mids back in.
Cincotta deserves to keep the 7th defender role until someone takes it off him. Same with Cottrell playing H/F rotating 3rd wingman. Same with Fogarty who brings elite pressure and clean hands around the ball.
I think we're too slow with Charlie, Harry and JSOS inside 50.


Of all the TC posters, I would have thought you'd be the last to have Kennedy out of your best 22, and you've let go of your mantra that the AA HB should be playing HB.



Like BV I couldn't fit all three of Cripps Hewett & Kennedy in. I rate all three but I don't think we can play the 3 at once. Too similar

I like the balance and variety Cripps Cerra Walsh Docherty Hewett give supported by Cuningham & Fogarty


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:22 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
The fact that Harry can't/won't take the relieving ruck role reduces our flexibility. Look at the impact Daniher is having at Brisbane and the flexibility it gives them. I'd tell him to harden up and give us the option.

I like Farmer's team with a couple of minor tweaks.

B: Boyd Weitering McGovern
HB: Newman Kemp Saad
C: Acres Cripps Docherty
HF: Owies Martin Cuningham
F: McKay Curnow Motlop
Foll: TDK Cerra Walsh
Int: Hewett Fogarty Cottrell Cincotta (Kennedy)

Our forward line is working well and shouldn't have wholesale disruption just to bring mids back in.
Cincotta deserves to keep the 7th defender role until someone takes it off him. Same with Cottrell playing H/F rotating 3rd wingman. Same with Fogarty who brings elite pressure and clean hands around the ball.
I think we're too slow with Charlie, Harry and JSOS inside 50.


Of all the TC posters, I would have thought you'd be the last to have Kennedy out of your best 22, and you've let go of your mantra that the AA HB should be playing HB.



Like BV I couldn't fit all three of Cripps Hewett & Kennedy in. I rate all three but I don't think we can play the 3 at once. Too similar

I like the balance and variety Cripps Cerra Walsh Docherty Hewett give supported by Cuningham & Fogarty


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
The fact that Harry can't/won't take the relieving ruck role reduces our flexibility. Look at the impact Daniher is having at Brisbane and the flexibility it gives them. I'd tell him to harden up and give us the option.

I like Farmer's team with a couple of minor tweaks.

B: Boyd Weitering McGovern
HB: Newman Kemp Saad
C: Acres Cripps Docherty
HF: Owies Martin Cuningham
F: McKay Curnow Motlop
Foll: TDK Cerra Walsh
Int: Hewett Fogarty Cottrell Cincotta (Kennedy)

Our forward line is working well and shouldn't have wholesale disruption just to bring mids back in.
Cincotta deserves to keep the 7th defender role until someone takes it off him. Same with Cottrell playing H/F rotating 3rd wingman. Same with Fogarty who brings elite pressure and clean hands around the ball.
I think we're too slow with Charlie, Harry and JSOS inside 50.


Of all the TC posters, I would have thought you'd be the last to have Kennedy out of your best 22, and you've let go of your mantra that the AA HB should be playing HB.

Agree re Cincotta. Ditto Cottrell.
Fisher is playing the spare in defence. I dont think that will happen in a Finals game.

Hollands is the hard one to leave out. Its all hard to leave out anyone in this form, and glad it is.
Fog is bringing the heat. I'd give Hollands the nod of the two. But totally respect the value you put on Fog.
Farmer and I were in love with what Fog did 3 weeks in a row in the VFL as an inside mid before being selected in the AFL.


Fair point on Kennedy. I'm happy to have him on the bench and Hewett sub. I was thinking of easing him back in after injury but as this is a best 23 thread, you're correct, he should be there.
As for Docherty, my thoughts are he's not in our best midfield rotation yet they played him there at the expense of Cerra or Kennedy. How can anyone think it's better to play Cerra or Kennedy in defence and Docherty midfield? Yet some fool on the MC toyed with it for a few weeks. That was my complaint about Docherty not playing half back.
With Cincotta, Boyd and Kemp stepping up, I'm happy with Docherty taking the wing position. He played there for a few weeks and our wingers performed as well as any combination in the AFL IMHO. It's only the loss of Cerra, Walsh and Kennedy that has seen him return to the midfield. Once they return, I'd expect him to be squeezed out again.

Hollands is a wingman at the moment and he's doing it well. But Docherty and Acres are playing the role better and Cottrell as a H/F who gives them a rotation is a revelation IMHO. He provides a wing rotation, good forward pressure and he's a goal kicker as well. Hollands time will come. As for Fogarty, I don't like to tinker with what's working. Our forward structure is excellent at the moment. Harry is the only one who could force his way back in IMHO. I love Durdin but it's the incumbents roles to lose.

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