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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:12 pm 
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Are people seriously considering or even minor comfortable in having McGov playing against Dusty?


No way. Plowman or Newman is the match up


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Are people seriously considering or even minor comfortable in having McGov playing against Dusty?


No way. Plowman or Newman is the match up


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SurreyBlue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
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Are people seriously considering or even minor comfortable in having McGov playing against Dusty?


No way. Plowman or Newman is the match up


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And who in the whole competition let alone our side is capable of holding Dusty when he's off the leash ? Dusty is unstoppable on his day . Let him do his thing and just shut down the rest of 'em .

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Are people seriously considering or even minor comfortable in having McGov playing against Dusty?


No way. Plowman or Newman is the match up


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 2:31 pm 
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Assuming McG, Martin, Pitto and Marchy will be right to go, and Cotters won't, this is my team.

B Saad, Weitering, Young
HB Newman, McGovern, Docherty
C O'Brien, Cripps, Akers
RUCKS Pittonet, Hewett, Cerra
HF Martin, Curnow, Silvagni
F Fisher, McKay, Motlop
INT Kennedy, De Koning, C. Durdin, Owies
SUB Marchbank

I really don't like having Pitto, Charlie, Harry, SOS, and TDK in the same team though. I am interested to see how the club will handle that selection issue.


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2023 6:08 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Are people seriously considering or even minor comfortable in having McGov playing against Dusty?


No way. Plowman or Newman is the match up


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And who in the whole competition let alone our side is capable of holding Dusty when he's off the leash ? Dusty is unstoppable on his day . Let him do his thing and just shut down the rest of 'em .


Sorry Mick, you don’t just let game breakers off the leash. You need to try and control as best you can.
IMO, Biggest mistake by coaches to let these players run free. They bring so many others into play and control the game on so many occasions.


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Are people seriously considering or even minor comfortable in having McGov playing against Dusty?


No way. Plowman or Newman is the match up


:thumbsup:



And who in the whole competition let alone our side is capable of holding Dusty when he's off the leash ? Dusty is unstoppable on his day . Let him do his thing and just shut down the rest of 'em .


Sorry Mick, you don’t just let game breakers off the leash. You need to try and control as best you can.
IMO, Biggest mistake by coaches to let these players run free. They bring so many others into play and control the game on so many occasions.


O K , if you are going to man up on Dusty then Plowman would be my man . No way is he going to stop him but he could nullify him . ...............first rule in footy is play in front . But i reckon with Dusty you actually play him from behind . Just keep him in front of you and no matter what don't let him slip behind coz that when he wreaks havoc . Reckon Plowman could keep him to 80 % effectiveness which would be a win for mine . Plowman gives you 100 % for a 100 % of the time .

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:33 am 
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I posted this below in Injury Thread but belongs here too because there isnt a round 1 thread, and continuting the discussion as to who takes on Dusty the forward.

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Looking at the predicted Round 1 team in the Herald Sun today, I can see the point abns is making about injury in 2023.
I'm mindful this is an educated guess, based on current situation.

I'm not writing off Cottrell till I see he hasnt played any praccy games.

I don't know what to believe about Gov. I sure dont take the Herald Sun or SEN as gospel. They suggest Gov's preseason has been disrupted, whereas club says he's tracking well and his program has changed from previous years and is managed on an individual program, as is Martin, to avoid the injuries of the past. I've heard similar about Marchbank too. They have 5 weeks before first bounce and 10 days before first praccy game vs Collingwood, and 24 days before Swans praccy game. Who really knows?

From track watchers it sounds like Plowman is ahead of Kemp, and I would have Ed Curnow as a notable absentee too, and he hasnt missed a beat this preseason. Surely Ed is ahead of Carroll in terms of development, strength, experience, stamina......fitness?

Nevertheless, this is a good team.

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B: N. Newman, J. Weitering, M. McGovern

HB: S. Docherty, L. Young, A. Saad

C: L. O’Brien, P. Cripps, B. Acres

HF: Z. Fisher, C. Curnow, J. Motlop

F: J. Silvagni, H. McKay, C. Durdin

Foll: M. Pittonet, A. Cerra, G. Hewett

I/C: M. Kennedy, T. De Koning, M. Owies, B. Kemp

Sub: J. Carroll

Notable absentees: S. Walsh, Z. Williams, M. Cottrell, J. Martin, P. Dow, C. Marchbank, J. Honey, L. Plowman

There are a few injury issues for the Blues to start the season, including Sam Walsh (back), Zac Williams (knee) and Matthew Cottrell (foot). Mitch McGovern and Jack Martin have also had interrupted summers. But the spine looks strong and recruit Blake Acres should instantly add plenty of run on one wing.

-Chris Cavanagh


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-every-clubs-predicted-lineup-for-their-round-1-clash/news-story/5b8cc63a2f7058a0dfd2b85a2795f485

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:59 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Assuming McG, Martin, Pitto and Marchy will be right to go, and Cotters won't, this is my team.

B Saad, Weitering, Young
HB Newman, McGovern, Docherty
C O'Brien, Cripps, Akers
RUCKS Pittonet, Hewett, Cerra
HF Martin, Curnow, Silvagni
F Fisher, McKay, Motlop
INT Kennedy, De Koning, C. Durdin, Owies
SUB Marchbank

I really don't like having Pitto, Charlie, Harry, SOS, and TDK in the same team though. I am interested to see how the club will handle that selection issue.


I like this team better than the Hun version - it includes Martin where the Hun doesn't.
I don't mind having all the talls. As long as they all chase hard and fast when the need arises. The only one who might struggle with that is Pitto.
Also, I wouldn't be averse to throwing Charlie out to a wing every now and then to mix things up or even in the middle. SOS could go in the middle occasionally or maybe even play defensive forward on Dusty if Plowman or Newman are struggling.
Thoughts on including Ed Curnow to tag Dusty out of the middle?
PS. How good would it be to see Charlie get the ball defensive side of the wing, and stream down the boundary like Buddy and slot it from 60m??


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:16 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I posted this below in Injury Thread but belongs here too because there isnt a round 1 thread, and continuting the discussion as to who takes on Dusty the forward.

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Looking at the predicted Round 1 team in the Herald Sun today, I can see the point abns is making about injury in 2023.
I'm mindful this is an educated guess, based on current situation.

I'm not writing off Cottrell till I see he hasnt played any praccy games.

I don't know what to believe about Gov. I sure dont take the Herald Sun or SEN as gospel. They suggest Gov's preseason has been disrupted, whereas club says he's tracking well and his program has changed from previous years and is managed on an individual program, as is Martin, to avoid the injuries of the past. I've heard similar about Marchbank too. They have 5 weeks before first bounce and 10 days before first praccy game vs Collingwood, and 24 days before Swans praccy game. Who really knows?

From track watchers it sounds like Plowman is ahead of Kemp, and I would have Ed Curnow as a notable absentee too, and he hasnt missed a beat this preseason. Surely Ed is ahead of Carroll in terms of development, strength, experience, stamina......fitness?

Nevertheless, this is a good team.

Quote:
CARLTON

B: N. Newman, J. Weitering, M. McGovern

HB: S. Docherty, L. Young, A. Saad

C: L. O’Brien, P. Cripps, B. Acres

HF: Z. Fisher, C. Curnow, J. Motlop

F: J. Silvagni, H. McKay, C. Durdin

Foll: M. Pittonet, A. Cerra, G. Hewett

I/C: M. Kennedy, T. De Koning, M. Owies, B. Kemp

Sub: J. Carroll

Notable absentees: S. Walsh, Z. Williams, M. Cottrell, J. Martin, P. Dow, C. Marchbank, J. Honey, L. Plowman

There are a few injury issues for the Blues to start the season, including Sam Walsh (back), Zac Williams (knee) and Matthew Cottrell (foot). Mitch McGovern and Jack Martin have also had interrupted summers. But the spine looks strong and recruit Blake Acres should instantly add plenty of run on one wing.

-Chris Cavanagh


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2023-every-clubs-predicted-lineup-for-their-round-1-clash/news-story/5b8cc63a2f7058a0dfd2b85a2795f485



Martin is a definite for me over Owies
Plowman or Cowan over Kemp
and I reckon there is nothing between Durdin & Young for the KPD spot


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:35 am 
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If we're going to debut players like Cowan in 2023 (which I hope we don't) then I'd prefer we wait til rounds 3 & 4

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 12:44 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
If we're going to debut players like Cowan in 2023 (which I hope we don't) then I'd prefer we wait til rounds 3 & 4


Why, if they are ready?


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
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If we're going to debut players like Cowan in 2023 (which I hope we don't) then I'd prefer we wait til rounds 3 & 4


Why, if they are ready?



After a rebuild that started 8 years ago, shouldn't we be in a position where we don't need to call on 18 year olds to fill holes in the senior team? Can't we finally give them a year in the VFL before debut?

I suppose I wouldn't mind seeing Hollands get a game at some stage, but that's just because of the injury to Cottrell & the fact I don't really rate O'Brien. But as I said, preferably against GWS or North, not Richmond/Geelong.

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 1:07 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
CK95 wrote:
If we're going to debut players like Cowan in 2023 (which I hope we don't) then I'd prefer we wait til rounds 3 & 4


Why, if they are ready?



After a rebuild that started 8 years ago, shouldn't we be in a position where we don't need to call on 18 year olds to fill holes in the senior team? Can't we finally give them a year in the VFL before debut?

I suppose I wouldn't mind seeing Hollands get a game at some stage, but that's just because of the injury to Cottrell & the fact I don't really rate O'Brien. But as I said, preferably against GWS or North, not Richmond/Geelong.


I just think if they are good enough and earn their spot they play. That's my take

Would you have held Walsh or Daicos back?


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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Farmer given he's 22 & he's already suffered a syndesmosis injury, plus a bulging disc in his lower back, yeah I just might have :grin:

I suppose Bolton really had no choice but to debut Walsh though, because we were a struggling team & all he really could do then was play the kids (I actually think Bolts should deserve a bit of credit if we ever make it).

Right now I think we're in between being that struggling 2019 team & a peak team like 95 when we could debut a skinny guy like Campo, because we had Sticks Dean Earl Harry etc to protect him. We've finally got a good number of players in the 24-25 age bracket, to the point that I think we should be able to have the luxury of holding the kids back, for once.

Daicos is a star & may as well have been the no.1 pick in his year, & the Pies do have a bunch of late 20s players to support him. That said, I don't even want to discuss those cauliflower right now. It's still a bit too soon :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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Anyone think Cunners can do well enough in the practice matches to get up for rd 1?


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Anyone think Cunners can do well enough in the practice matches to get up for rd 1?


I’d be happy if he could just get up off the operating table.

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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What's our best 23 heading into finals?

Anyone likely to be available this season can be used

B: N. Newman, J. Weitering, B. Kemp

HB: A. Cincotta, M. McGovern, A. Saad

C: O. Hollands, P. Cripps, B. Acres

HF: D. Cunningham, H. McKay, J. Martin

F: J. Motlop, C. Curnow, M. Owies

Foll: T. De Koning, A. Cerra, S. Walsh

I/C: G. Hewett, J. Boyd, J Silvagni, M.Cottrell

Sub: P. Dow

Played against Saints but not included
Fogarty, Doc, Marchbank, Ed, Fisher (toss up between him and Boyd, we'll know more in a couple of weeks)

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:49 am 
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jezzarules wrote:
What's our best 23 heading into finals?

Anyone likely to be available this season can be used

B: N. Newman, J. Weitering, B. Kemp

HB: A. Cincotta, M. McGovern, A. Saad

C: O. Hollands, P. Cripps, B. Acres

HF: D. Cunningham, H. McKay, J. Martin

F: J. Motlop, C. Curnow, M. Owies

Foll: T. De Koning, A. Cerra, S. Walsh

I/C: G. Hewett, J. Boyd, J Silvagni, M.Cottrell

Sub: P. Dow

Played against Saints but not included
Fogarty, Doc, Marchbank, Ed, Fisher (toss up between him and Boyd, we'll know more in a couple of weeks)


As good as Hewett is, I think Doc gives more flexibility and pace.


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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Can't have a best 23 without Doc, he's top 5.

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