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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:03 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
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I was wrong….

i didn’t want to appeal and lose…!

appealing and winning didn’t even cross
my mind…!

as everyone is saying…lets use this as a stepping
stone to the finals…!


kindest regards tommi







hey…we’re still at $41 for the flag…a sneaky
$24.50 for a $1,004.50 return…!

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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
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Cranking the smugness back up to about an 8/10.

Having been thoroughly cucked the last couple of weeks, I’ll be looking forward to swinging it around a bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
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What’s that Sader….

not sure what you mean…does it involve semen…?


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That’s ectoplasm.

There was a spooky ghost.

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 Post subject: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
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Submissions from cripps council were completely on point and echoed what a lot of the commentary was on here. How can you reasonably contest the ball and still bump and be playing outside the rules? They didn't contemplate this conundrum properly, decided 1 + 1 = 3, and the rest is frolicking history.

I am now drawing my own conclusions somewhat but I note that the afl submissions were brief and perhaps you could say embarrassingly brief.

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To all the pessimists on here, let's @#$%&! get to the G on Saturday and back our boys home!!!
I'll be there :lol:

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And I love being wrong.

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Next time I get a speeding fine I want that Carlton lawyer

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 Post subject: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
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I am still in shock at the outcome.
Carlton never wins appeals

Is this a sign

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You really have to admire the accuracy of Herald Sun journosImage

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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
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Gee….

that sounds accurate…!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:02 am 
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Cripps appeal: Questioning the chairperson's role at the Tribunal
Cripps' counsel Christopher Townshend is 35 minutes into their submission.

He is hammering the point that the Tribunal chairman on Tuesday night – Jeff Gleeson – should have given directions to the two-member jury on questions of law and fact.

In previous years the chairman gave directions to a three-member jury, but was not involved in the decision-making, whereas now he is.

Townshend has read laws that suggest this should have happened to give a fair hearing.

This is the error in law, he says.

"The fundamental obligation of the Tribunal is to give natural justice," he said.

"The chairperson did not pause to give directions before retiring.

"The findings the Tribunal came up with behind closed doors is they came up with two things at once (that it was a contest and that he chose to bump). It should have required some directions.

"It can't happen behind closed doors, that can't be right." – Michael Whiting



WOW.

No mincing words.
That alone is a win for not only Carlton but for Football Clubs too.

Huge statement. Subtlety is beautiful, questioning the bias of Gleeson, interfering with natural justice in football matters.

Was it a bump or was he reaching out his arms to catch the ball in the air, and turning to protect the space. Whether to jump or not is not in question. Contesting is mandatory as far as the rules go, what the fans want, what the game needs to keep its fabric, and the players with that competitive gene are prepared to give us, the footy community.

Let him free. Cripps didn’t bump. That’s all the AFL has. It’s laughable. :grin:


To all those posters and those in the media who thought 2 weeks equals justice, well, you took the easy option and didnt look deep enough, nor look for justice.
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Its not just about Cripps playing. its about getting the AFL off our back, and time to stand up for ourselves, to let the AFL know, we will no longer be your scapegoat for your agenda. The whole claim was corrupt.

20 years of corrupted adjudication against Carlton is enough. We're not gonna take it.

And, in this Putinless country we are innocent till proven guilty!!!

and today.....

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Carlton, represented by Christopher Townshend QC, argued the tribunal diverted from the correct interpretation of the phrase ‘in the bumping of an opponent’.


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The Blues also argued there was a “denial of natural justice” due to the conduct of proceedings at the tribunal, suggesting there was an error of law and fact.


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Nicholas Pane as the AFL's QC.

He then argued there was no denial of justice as the appeal became centred around what constitutes a bumping action.


and so it should be if the AFL's case rested on an emotive appeal that it was a "Classic Bump" which it was not!!

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[AFL] ... also stated a player could have eyes on the ball and still be in the action of bumping an opponent, something Townshend disputed.


Coulda, woulda, shoulda.....WTF is this, a Kangaroo court? Well, no more. Stick to facts AFL and stop lying.

No wonder this Appeal took 4 hours. The thick heads in the AFL refuse to accept the truth.

It takes that long to show and prove (ad nauseum) the truth. It's the difficulty clubs face when the AFL goes into a court with an agenda, not seeking the truth and justice.
It took that long to find the AFL is making up rubbish in their own unaccountable domain, because the AFL think they can make up stories, without facts and get away with it.

And to prove the AFL's process, and claims were unjust, who do you think had to pay for that privilege?
Carlton Football Club had to pay for justice. Do we get a refund? Change? Nah, it stays in the AFLs pockets. Its a farce ... the AFL win one way or another.

And some posters, Carlton people, thought the Appeal was a waste of soft cap money, a deflection from the game, disruptive, that the media were right ... honestly it sickens me to think Carltonians would just continue to accept being bashed by the corrupt AFL.

The AFL is a boys club, and they kicked us out to have total power and control over all football matters, right or wrong, and they don't want us in there to hold them to account, because we were the club who created the AFL Commission in good faith and their disrespect of the Carlton Football Club is too obvious to ignore.

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The appeals board found the findings of the tribunal jury were unreasonable due to a failure to afford procedural fairness which resulted in an error of law.


And Michael Christian, you were wrong! Again!

CARLTON's APPEAL IS JUSTIFIED

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 Post subject: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:06 am 
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So many opposition supporters suddenly really concerned with the "welfare" of a player who got concussion, who they wouldn't otherwise give a shit about.

Eat shit.


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 Post subject: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
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Someone on Twitter with a legal background said they'd be laughed out of court if they used "could have" or "should have" in their arguments.

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The flog deleted this late last night!


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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:25 am 
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T Browne just let it go


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 Post subject: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:29 am 
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The afl will want to sweep this under the carpet as quickly as possible. The way they will deal with it, if at all, is to change the rule book to define the cripps incident as a bump or otherwise outside the rules. I don't think they will want to do that though as any injury stemming from a contest will be reportable contest

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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
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Wojee wrote:
Someone on Twitter with a legal background said they'd be laughed out of court if they used "could have" or "should have" in their arguments.
Yes. Everyone knows it's "could of"

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