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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:39 am 
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Sydney we know this, but the AFL does not think logically when it comes to CARLTON.

Neither do the media. They get all emotional and irrational and want us to fail at everything.


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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:43 am 
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Chairman Murray Kellam said

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“We are unable to conclude on the basis of the vision of these videos that he did turn his body into a classic bumping position,” Kellam said.

“The video confirmed the statement expressed in the ruling that both players had eyes for the ball and both players contested the ball.

“The video did not reveal a bump. Rather, it set out a contest for the ball that resulted in a collision.”

The Blues argued that Cripps’ posture in the jump was a further indicating factor of his “genuine contest for the ball” – an action that it claimed had been confused with an election to bump.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/afl-2022-brisbane-lions-v-carlton-blues-all-the-latest-news-from-the-round-21-match/news-story/501a9671fd65ec9738ede3bf665a9a6e

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... he said the evidence combined with repeated viewings of three variations of vision of the incident had warranted the ban being overturned on the basis of an error of law and that the findings of the original jury had been unreasonable.


He didnt bump.

The adamant push of the notion by Gleeson that it was a "Classic Bump" was adjudicated wrong. No harm in trying to bullshit the court ay.

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 Post subject: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:54 am 
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Wait....is his name actually Murray Kellam

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 Post subject: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:56 am 
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Thankfully full name wasn't Murray Kellam Ah Chee

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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:00 am 
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Our Club is not a doormat anymore . City Hall on the backfoot .

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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:02 am 
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So, the AFL will take themselves to court??


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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:13 am 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Apparently it took 4.5hrs to legally prove that Cripps is, in fact, Trent Cotchin…


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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:18 am 
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CK95 wrote:
Wait....is his name actually Murray Kellam

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Kellam, Murray. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:30 am 
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Ralphy has crawled back out of his hole.



https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1557850706849452032


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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
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2hrs later, he's changing his tune already.

I think we may be in the clear.



https://twitter.com/RalphyHeraldSun/status/1557887040263704576


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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:44 am 
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Jon ralph is still going on but this time its positive. He spoke to the AFL and if they were to appeal it would need to be via the courts which surely wont happen. The right of appeal under AFL rules has already been taken up by Carlton and we won it.

So thats good.

Make uppey AFL ??????? Lets see. But one would think they would move onto the games tonight now.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:50 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
daggs001 wrote:
Cripps appeal: Questioning the chairperson's role at the Tribunal
Cripps' counsel Christopher Townshend is 35 minutes into their submission.

He is hammering the point that the Tribunal chairman on Tuesday night – Jeff Gleeson – should have given directions to the two-member jury on questions of law and fact.

In previous years the chairman gave directions to a three-member jury, but was not involved in the decision-making, whereas now he is.

Townshend has read laws that suggest this should have happened to give a fair hearing.

This is the error in law, he says.

"The fundamental obligation of the Tribunal is to give natural justice," he said.

"The chairperson did not pause to give directions before retiring.

"The findings the Tribunal came up with behind closed doors is they came up with two things at once (that it was a contest and that he chose to bump). It should have required some directions.

"It can't happen behind closed doors, that can't be right." – Michael Whiting



WOW.

No mincing words.
That alone is a win for not only Carlton but for Football Clubs too.

Huge statement. Subtlety is beautiful, questioning the bias of Gleeson, interfering with natural justice in football matters.

Was it a bump or was he reaching out his arms to catch the ball in the air, and turning to protect the space. Whether to jump or not is not in question. Contesting is mandatory as far as the rules go, what the fans want, what the game needs to keep its fabric, and the players with that competitive gene are prepared to give us, the footy community.

Let him free. Cripps didn’t bump. That’s all the AFL has. It’s laughable. :grin:


To all those posters and those in the media who thought 2 weeks equals justice, well, you took the easy option and didnt look deep enough, nor look for justice.
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Its not just about Cripps playing. its about getting the AFL off our back, and time to stand up for ourselves, to let the AFL know, we will no longer be your scapegoat for your agenda. The whole claim was corrupt.

20 years of corrupted adjudication against Carlton is enough. We're not gonna take it.

And, in this Putinless country we are innocent till proven guilty!!!

and today.....

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Carlton, represented by Christopher Townshend QC, argued the tribunal diverted from the correct interpretation of the phrase ‘in the bumping of an opponent’.


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The Blues also argued there was a “denial of natural justice” due to the conduct of proceedings at the tribunal, suggesting there was an error of law and fact.


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Nicholas Pane as the AFL's QC.

He then argued there was no denial of justice as the appeal became centred around what constitutes a bumping action.


and so it should be if the AFL's case rested on an emotive appeal that it was a "Classic Bump" which it was not!!

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[AFL] ... also stated a player could have eyes on the ball and still be in the action of bumping an opponent, something Townshend disputed.


Coulda, woulda, shoulda.....WTF is this, a Kangaroo court? Well, no more. Stick to facts AFL and stop lying.

No wonder this Appeal took 4 hours. The thick heads in the AFL refuse to accept the truth.

It takes that long to show and prove (ad nauseum) the truth. It's the difficulty clubs face when the AFL goes into a court with an agenda, not seeking the truth and justice.
It took that long to find the AFL is making up rubbish in their own unaccountable domain, because the AFL think they can make up stories, without facts and get away with it.

And to prove the AFL's process, and claims were unjust, who do you think had to pay for that privilege?
Carlton Football Club had to pay for justice. Do we get a refund? Change? Nah, it stays in the AFLs pockets. Its a farce ... the AFL win one way or another.

And some posters, Carlton people, thought the Appeal was a waste of soft cap money, a deflection from the game, disruptive, that the media were right ... honestly it sickens me to think Carltonians would just continue to accept being bashed by the corrupt AFL.

The AFL is a boys club, and they kicked us out to have total power and control over all football matters, right or wrong, and they don't want us in there to hold them to account, because we were the club who created the AFL Commission in good faith and their disrespect of the Carlton Football Club is too obvious to ignore.

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The appeals board found the findings of the tribunal jury were unreasonable due to a failure to afford procedural fairness which resulted in an error of law.


And Michael Christian, you were wrong! Again!

CARLTON's APPEAL IS JUSTIFIED



Do you feel better now BB?


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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:54 am 
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Wojee wrote:
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I heard "expert" commentator David Schwarz on 3AW this morning. Apparently Cripps shouldn't have impacted the opposition player while he was going for "the mark"
Expert. :lol:

Ox's IQ matches his jumper number


Did he seriously have a negative jumper number?



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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:55 am 
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The saltiness of opposition supporters today is delicious.

I haven’t been abused this hard since the last time we were good

When we beat Melbourne, they'll be worse. :thumbsup: .
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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:55 am 
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Cripps needs to get in beast mode now. Shave the head, get a neck tattoo and beast it up !!!!!!!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:00 am 
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Wow i knew we were hated, but how much is staggering... haha i love how every other teams supporters are so fixated on Carlton and what happens in our club
Warms my heart!
Go Blues!! Fire up

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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:25 am 
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Hi Bondi not having a crack but I know a bit about this

Gleeson has only been tribunal chair this year so he had nothing to do with tribunal decisions anytime before 2022

Was AFL advocate for a number of years but that is different to being chair

And barristers are hired guns who argue for whatever side of the argument is on

He is a man of complete integrity

Yes he made a mistake but the reason why the case went so long and the deliberations of the panel took so long at the Appeal is that it obviously was a fine line as to whether he had done the wrong thing or not


I sit on a number of tribunals sport and Commercial -not the AFL - and a ground for appeal that is almost a catch all is on the basis of procedural fairness

In 2020 one of my decisions was appealed to the Supreme Court on this basis ended up being upheld by the SC but arguments both ways


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 Post subject: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:26 am 
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AFL has released a statement. No appeal.


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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:37 am 
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Traveller86 wrote:
AFL has released a statement. No appeal.


Yes, but what do the AFL plan to do next?

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 Post subject: Re: Cripps FREE TO PLAY
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Wojee wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
AFL has released a statement. No appeal.


Yes, but what do the AFL plan to do next?
The only court they could find willing to listen was Margaret Court.

She seems reasonable.

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