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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:40 pm 
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I thought we were a good chance until Kennedy and Hewett were out

Our one wood has been are clearence work
Hewett has been sorely missed
Walsh was targeted today
He gave his all but didn’t cause significant damage
It was game over there and then
Brisbane are not a top side as the year has panned out
They are crap when the opposition have the ball. They give away too many easy goals in succession as what happened today
Problem was they controlled the game for most of it
Centre clearences were a smashing
That’s my knock on Cerra
He needed to step up
He didn’t
Cripps and Walsh did most of it
I thought Dow was extremely disappointing
Expected more
We have given him a contract in 2023
Maybe premature
I under estimated how much we rely on clearing work
We are too slow through the middle
Very one paced
I have advocated Saad having a different role further up the ground
To me it’s a necessity
I really like Durdin playing a mid field role in 2023

I like Carroll
Kemp
Honey as well
But we still have too many average players and deadwood
Speaking of which
I never rated Setterfield from the beginning as you know
He needs to go. Has been tried in different positions other than the inside mid he was meant to be
Time to go
If we want to succeed we must be ruthless with List Management
He clearly isn’t good enough
Jack Martin is the ultimate pea heart
Convince me otherwise
He simply doesn’t do enough
Has 2 years left. He needs to earn his spot. I get the fact the cupboard is bare with injuries it he didn’t do much in the magoos last week
Mc Governs stats look ok but he is a very disappointing player for what we gave up
That effort in the goal square when we had a small chance in the last was absu pathetic
Add Williams to that list of overpaid overrated players
Voss in his second year needs to make these guys earn their spot
I honestly believe Kemp should be in the team at the exp of The Gov

Still happy
There has been improvement but our short comings are becoming more obvious as the season draws to a close

Williamson
Mc Donald
Setterfield
Hayes
Newnes
Parks
Fogarty
All need to go
And the recruiting needs to be spot on
Have a look at what Collingwood has done this year
6 players from Rookie picks or mid season drafts plus sim excellent late picks in the draft

We still may make the eight and it’s great we have improved but clearly plenty of work needs to be done


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:40 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
I'm feeling a lot less bullish after that. Season not over yet and I still reckon we'll scrape into the finals but can't see us getting past the first week.

My main wish is for this squad to be put through a pre-season that'd make green berets weep. I want this team going into 2023 screaming bloody vengeance.


A brutal leadership camp perhaps?


:D I've not read anything about the Adelaide camp so don't know what they did, but I want our boys fitter and stronger than any other team in the comp next year, and I want us to hit them so it hurts. We can't keep folding meekly every season, and being hard, mean cauliflower would help with that.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:40 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:
The last two weeks the performance of our key ruck has been utterly deplorable. Unfortunately for us it has been two different players. Our first 2 choices in the position :mad: :yikes:


In fairness to Pitto he’s been out for 3 months and first game back.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:42 pm 
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We are not making finals

Lose our next two. Bulldogs win their next two. In the 8 on percentage. That’s how I think it will play out.

Could be the biggest fall out of the 8 by any team for a long time

Those last 3 goals in the last few minutes from centre clearances just makes it worse. Someone teach De Koning how to ruck. He was woeful today,


Bulldogs are sitting 10th for a reason. No great certainties at all to win the last 2. St.Kilda's run home is as tough as ours.

Problem with TDK he is not physically big enough to be the main ruck against the huge bodies week in/week out. Needs to re-invent himself more as a forward/2nd ruck, focussing on his forward play. Much like Levi was.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:44 pm 
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Missed Pittonet Kennedy Hewett Williams Newman Boyd from best 22.

Says to me we fall away to much when not having our best players available.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:49 pm 
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Pretty disappointing game, although expected to lose.
Gave them a 6 goal start and lost by just less than that.
At least we finished off the game and almost got into a winning chance, only to let them kick those late goals.
What a rotten way to finish off what has been a pretty good season up until the last month or so.
Our disposal was terrible, I think we handed them about 3 goals in the first quarter.
Cripps is in trouble I think, chose to bump and will pay the price now.
Anyway, there is always next week.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:55 pm 
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keogh wrote:
I thought we were a good chance until Kennedy and Hewett were out

Our one wood has been are clearence work
Hewett has been sorely missed
Walsh was targeted today
He gave his all but didn’t cause significant damage
It was game over there and then
Brisbane are not a top side as the year has panned out
They are crap when the opposition have the ball. They give away too many easy goals in succession as what happened today
Problem was they controlled the game for most of it
Centre clearences were a smashing
That’s my knock on Cerra
He needed to step up
He didn’t
Cripps and Walsh did most of it
I thought Dow was extremely disappointing
Expected more
We have given him a contract in 2023
Maybe premature
I under estimated how much we rely on clearing work
We are too slow through the middle
Very one paced
I have advocated Saad having a different role further up the ground
To me it’s a necessity
I really like Durdin playing a mid field role in 2023

I like Carroll
Kemp
Honey as well
But we still have too many average players and deadwood
Speaking of which
I never rated Setterfield from the beginning as you know
He needs to go. Has been tried in different positions other than the inside mid he was meant to be
Time to go
If we want to succeed we must be ruthless with List Management
He clearly isn’t good enough
Jack Martin is the ultimate pea heart
Convince me otherwise
He simply doesn’t do enough
Has 2 years left. He needs to earn his spot. I get the fact the cupboard is bare with injuries it he didn’t do much in the magoos last week
Mc Governs stats look ok but he is a very disappointing player for what we gave up
That effort in the goal square when we had a small chance in the last was absu pathetic
Add Williams to that list of overpaid overrated players
Voss in his second year needs to make these guys earn their spot
I honestly believe Kemp should be in the team at the exp of The Gov

Still happy
There has been improvement but our short comings are becoming more obvious as the season draws to a close

Williamson
Mc Donald
Setterfield
Hayes
Newnes
Parks
Fogarty
All need to go
And the recruiting needs to be spot on
Have a look at what Collingwood has done this year
6 players from Rookie picks or mid season drafts plus sim excellent late picks in the draft

We still may make the eight and it’s great we have improved but clearly plenty of work needs to be done


Fair call Keogh
I don’t agree re Cerra and Gov.

Cerra was one of our best all game. Tried his guts out. Top 5 Blues players.
We need more than 3 mids Cripps Walsh Cerra

Backline was good for most of game considering how many inside 50,
So they had…must’ve been close to 60

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:57 pm 
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No Plowman.
No Carlton.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:59 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Missed Pittonet Kennedy Hewett Williams Newman Boyd from best 22.

Says to me we fall away to much when not having our best players available.


Our disposal was terrible again.

We lost it in the centre bounces. Add Pittonet Hewitt & Kennedy and there’s instant improvement.

Fisher was crap for 3 quarters
Dow is useless at this level
Setterfield lazy…I still can’t believe he was recruited as an inside mid

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:59 pm 
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[Walls] we should have given H a run in the ruck for 10 minutes to get the cauliflower involved [walls]

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:06 pm 
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[Walls] we should have given H a run in the ruck for 10 minutes to get the cauliflower involved [walls]



:lol:


We bloody should have though!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:06 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
I thought we were a good chance until Kennedy and Hewett were out

Our one wood has been are clearence work
Hewett has been sorely missed
Walsh was targeted today
He gave his all but didn’t cause significant damage
It was game over there and then
Brisbane are not a top side as the year has panned out
They are crap when the opposition have the ball. They give away too many easy goals in succession as what happened today
Problem was they controlled the game for most of it
Centre clearences were a smashing
That’s my knock on Cerra
He needed to step up
He didn’t
Cripps and Walsh did most of it
I thought Dow was extremely disappointing
Expected more
We have given him a contract in 2023
Maybe premature
I under estimated how much we rely on clearing work
We are too slow through the middle
Very one paced
I have advocated Saad having a different role further up the ground
To me it’s a necessity
I really like Durdin playing a mid field role in 2023

I like Carroll
Kemp
Honey as well
But we still have too many average players and deadwood
Speaking of which
I never rated Setterfield from the beginning as you know
He needs to go. Has been tried in different positions other than the inside mid he was meant to be
Time to go
If we want to succeed we must be ruthless with List Management
He clearly isn’t good enough
Jack Martin is the ultimate pea heart
Convince me otherwise
He simply doesn’t do enough
Has 2 years left. He needs to earn his spot. I get the fact the cupboard is bare with injuries it he didn’t do much in the magoos last week
Mc Governs stats look ok but he is a very disappointing player for what we gave up
That effort in the goal square when we had a small chance in the last was absu pathetic
Add Williams to that list of overpaid overrated players
Voss in his second year needs to make these guys earn their spot
I honestly believe Kemp should be in the team at the exp of The Gov

Still happy
There has been improvement but our short comings are becoming more obvious as the season draws to a close

Williamson
Mc Donald
Setterfield
Hayes
Newnes
Parks
Fogarty
All need to go
And the recruiting needs to be spot on
Have a look at what Collingwood has done this year
6 players from Rookie picks or mid season drafts plus sim excellent late picks in the draft

We still may make the eight and it’s great we have improved but clearly plenty of work needs to be done


Fair call Keogh
I don’t agree re Cerra and Gov.

Cerra was one of our best all game. Tried his guts out. Top 5 Blues players.
We need more than 3 mids Cripps Walsh Cerra

Backline was good for most of game considering how many inside 50,
So they had…must’ve been close to 60


Agree with it all

50:50 on cerra today. Like Doc too many clangers


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:14 pm 
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The teams we have lost to this year now sit in the following ladder positions…

1
2
5
6
8

9
11
15

Last week (15th) was the only time we’ve lost to a side that hasn’t really had a shot at the top 8.

The teams we’ve beaten sit in these positions…

4
6
8

10
12
13
14
15
16
16
17
18

Overall we’re winning the games we should win and losing to those above us.

That’s a positive change.

We’re not great but considering the above and the injury list we’re making some progress.

Would be nice if it was a little faster.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:20 pm 
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Geoff Southby

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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
I thought we were a good chance until Kennedy and Hewett were out

Our one wood has been are clearence work
Hewett has been sorely missed
Walsh was targeted today
He gave his all but didn’t cause significant damage
It was game over there and then
Brisbane are not a top side as the year has panned out
They are crap when the opposition have the ball. They give away too many easy goals in succession as what happened today
Problem was they controlled the game for most of it
Centre clearences were a smashing
That’s my knock on Cerra
He needed to step up
He didn’t
Cripps and Walsh did most of it
I thought Dow was extremely disappointing
Expected more
We have given him a contract in 2023
Maybe premature
I under estimated how much we rely on clearing work
We are too slow through the middle
Very one paced
I have advocated Saad having a different role further up the ground
To me it’s a necessity
I really like Durdin playing a mid field role in 2023

I like Carroll
Kemp
Honey as well
But we still have too many average players and deadwood
Speaking of which
I never rated Setterfield from the beginning as you know
He needs to go. Has been tried in different positions other than the inside mid he was meant to be
Time to go
If we want to succeed we must be ruthless with List Management
He clearly isn’t good enough
Jack Martin is the ultimate pea heart
Convince me otherwise
He simply doesn’t do enough
Has 2 years left. He needs to earn his spot. I get the fact the cupboard is bare with injuries it he didn’t do much in the magoos last week
Mc Governs stats look ok but he is a very disappointing player for what we gave up
That effort in the goal square when we had a small chance in the last was absu pathetic
Add Williams to that list of overpaid overrated players
Voss in his second year needs to make these guys earn their spot
I honestly believe Kemp should be in the team at the exp of The Gov

Still happy
There has been improvement but our short comings are becoming more obvious as the season draws to a close

Williamson
Mc Donald
Setterfield
Hayes
Newnes
Parks
Fogarty
All need to go
And the recruiting needs to be spot on
Have a look at what Collingwood has done this year
6 players from Rookie picks or mid season drafts plus sim excellent late picks in the draft

We still may make the eight and it’s great we have improved but clearly plenty of work needs to be done


Fair call Keogh
I don’t agree re Cerra and Gov.

Cerra was one of our best all game. Tried his guts out. Top 5 Blues players.
We need more than 3 mids Cripps Walsh Cerra

Backline was good for most of game considering how many inside 50,
So they had…must’ve been close to 60


Cerra needs to be better in close
He wasn’t bad today but with Hewett and Kennedy out and Walsh having an average day by his standards he needed to take that next step
He didn’t
And he is still young
But today was a chance to do at when the stakes were high
We gave up a lot to get him
McGovern is a very one dimensional footballer
That effort in the last was so bad at such a crucial stage
Pathetic second effort
Near enough is good enough


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 7:21 pm 
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We will never be ultra competitive at the business end of the season if we don’t cut out our unforced errors

Those errors in the first and second quarters was VFL standard

It says to me there are players in our team who will never stand up in finals due to the increased tempo and pressure

There really is no point persisting with them

I don’t care how you play in round 10. It’s what you do towards the end of the season that really counts.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:02 pm 
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we are very slow
not only in leg speed but mostly in mind and execution


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:16 pm 
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redback wrote:
we are very slow
not only in leg speed but mostly in mind and execution

Been a problem for 2 decades.

In 20 years, I can only think of 2 players that we have acquired that have played between the arcs and had "speed with the ball". Not just straight line speed but weaving speed. They are Judd and Cuningham.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:18 pm 
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Pros:

Regained some scoring confidence towards the end.
McGovern, Weitering and Walsh once the tag on Neale was released.
Cripps played like he cared.
Saad was pretty good.
Motlop did some nice things.
Marchbank got through a game.
Coaches tried some things, even if they didn't all work.

Cons:

Absolutely smashed out of the centre.
Horrible turnover goals.
We're too slow, and can't apply pressure when we we're not winning a fair share of the ball.
Umpires obsession with Neale. Plays for frees and gets rewarded. Infringes and doesn't.
Dow. Low possession, low pressure, turnover midfielder. I wonder if he'll play next week, even if Cripps gets suspended.
SOJ and Owies. 2nd really poor game in a row from Owies.
TDK got absolutely smashed today.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:23 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
I'm feeling a lot less bullish after that. Season not over yet and I still reckon we'll scrape into the finals but can't see us getting past the first week.

My main wish is for this squad to be put through a pre-season that'd make green berets weep. I want this team going into 2023 screaming bloody vengeance.


A brutal leadership camp perhaps?


don’t even joke about it… i started a thread on that in talking stuff but non body seemed to see it.


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