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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 10:59 pm 
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Robert Walls

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This is not a knee jerk reaction

Because I've been sceptical since we got Voss

Don't get me wrong there were a number of things that I saw as positives in his appointment

But I also had numerous reservations

Chief among them was ... is he going to give us a revolutionary way of playing the game. Something that catches the competition off guard and can be the edge that takes us to a premiership

I'm not sure I see that blueprint in the way we play

And our win loss ratio has been consistently trending downwards since around mid season

I know and concede I have gone early

But my point is, if it turns out and I'm right and Voss is not to turn out a great coach then surely the blame ought to rest at the feet of the board and the president

Let this thread be a time capsule

I hope in 2 weeks or 2 years I'm made to look the fool . I really do

But I'm just putting it out there

If things go pear shaped let's put the boot less into Voss and more into the board that appointed him, because IIRC they didn't entirely undergo a thorough process ...


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:04 pm 
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Here’s some wood and here’s some nails, do it yourself.

I said I didn’t want him from the outset (more personal than professional) but we’ve improved , not enough not be be any good, but better than 13th


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:10 pm 
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I think overall he has been excellent this year.

BUT, tonite when the cameras went on him in the box he was emotionless and looking into the abyss of WTF do I do?

That worries me. Especially, in a must win game like tonite was....

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:12 pm 
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You don't need to wait to look like a fool. This thread accomplishes that.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:14 pm 
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:17 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
This is not a knee jerk reaction

Because I've been sceptical since we got Voss

Don't get me wrong there were a number of things that I saw as positives in his appointment

But I also had numerous reservations

Chief among them was ... is he going to give us a revolutionary way of playing the game. Something that catches the competition off guard and can be the edge that takes us to a premiership

I'm not sure I see that blueprint in the way we play

And our win loss ratio has been consistently trending downwards since around mid season

I know and concede I have gone early

But my point is, if it turns out and I'm right and Voss is not to turn out a great coach then surely the blame ought to rest at the feet of the board and the president

Let this thread be a time capsule

I hope in 2 weeks or 2 years I'm made to look the fool . I really do

But I'm just putting it out there

If things go pear shaped let's put the boot less into Voss and more into the board that appointed him, because IIRC they didn't entirely undergo a thorough process ...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:19 pm 
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Okay Paddy, toys back in the pram now, son.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:21 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
This is not a knee jerk reaction

Because I've been sceptical since we got Voss

Don't get me wrong there were a number of things that I saw as positives in his appointment

But I also had numerous reservations

Chief among them was ... is he going to give us a revolutionary way of playing the game. Something that catches the competition off guard and can be the edge that takes us to a premiership

I'm not sure I see that blueprint in the way we play

And our win loss ratio has been consistently trending downwards since around mid season

I know and concede I have gone early

But my point is, if it turns out and I'm right and Voss is not to turn out a great coach then surely the blame ought to rest at the feet of the board and the president

Let this thread be a time capsule

I hope in 2 weeks or 2 years I'm made to look the fool . I really do

But I'm just putting it out there

If things go pear shaped let's put the boot less into Voss and more into the board that appointed him, because IIRC they didn't entirely undergo a thorough process ...


I'm thinking you will read this in the morning Paddy and feel rather embarrassed.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:23 pm 
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Yep, it has been a tough night mate - we get that. Let's not throw the baby out just yet.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:37 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Okay Paddy, toys back in the pram now, son.


Yeap, it’s all good. Just like the last 20 years, Paddy, it’s all good


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:44 pm 
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Mate relax.

I flew up here spent a good chunk of money to get here just for a night in a time of economic uncertainty and my reaction....shit happens.

It's not over yet. Far from it. Yes we were bad but give them a chance to respond in the next 3 games.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 11:45 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
Mate relax.

I flew up here spent a good chunk of money to get here just for a night in a time of economic uncertainty and my reaction....shit happens.

It's not over yet. Far from it. Yes we were bad but give them a chance to respond in the next 3 games.


They’re cooked. Mentally and physically.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:10 am 
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We'll find out in 3 weeks if that's the case.

But I seem to recall we dished up similar shit in round 4 vs Gold Coast away and round 6 vs Freo away, which was followed by some of our best footy for the year.

Footy is a fickle sport and anything can happen. Wouldn't surprise me if we knock off the Lions even though i don't give us much of a chance after tonight's effort.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:34 am 
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Voss is the right guy - if not for what he’s shown, then for the team that he’s able to assemble around himself.

He’s not without criticism, but the lack of in-season progression falls on the playing group. Too many are on tram tracks. One trick ponies.

There’s a lot of learning to be done.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:38 am 
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Needs more rainbow jerseys

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 12:51 am 
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Crusader wrote:
Voss is the right guy - if not for what he’s shown, then for the team that he’s able to assemble around himself.

He’s not without criticism, but the lack of in-season progression falls on the playing group. Too many are on tram tracks. One trick ponies.

There’s a lot of learning to be done.

Dropping the one guy that is versatile enough to be a footballer in any position would be one of those criticisms.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:11 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
This is not a knee jerk reaction

Because I've been sceptical since we got Voss

Don't get me wrong there were a number of things that I saw as positives in his appointment

But I also had numerous reservations

Chief among them was ... is he going to give us a revolutionary way of playing the game. Something that catches the competition off guard and can be the edge that takes us to a premiership

I'm not sure I see that blueprint in the way we play

And our win loss ratio has been consistently trending downwards since around mid season

I know and concede I have gone early

But my point is, if it turns out and I'm right and Voss is not to turn out a great coach then surely the blame ought to rest at the feet of the board and the president

Let this thread be a time capsule

I hope in 2 weeks or 2 years I'm made to look the fool . I really do

But I'm just putting it out there

If things go pear shaped let's put the boot less into Voss and more into the board that appointed him, because IIRC they didn't entirely undergo a thorough process ...


I'm thinking you will read this in the morning Paddy and feel rather embarrassed.

Regards Cazzesman


Not at all

IIRC the board felt we were underperforming due to the talent on the list

But we have been incapable of turning up 2 weeks in a row for 9 or 10 weeks now

Consistency of effort simply isn't there and thats a fair base size

We are now at risk of missing finals entirely

So tell me how good Voss is and what aspects of his game and coaching make him a good coach?

You were the one who was so confident we'd win this game. Shows how little you know.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:12 am 
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Voss can't motivate this mob for more than 7 days . That's his max.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:28 am 
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It's not too late to delete this post etc etc.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:42 am 
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It's waaaaaay too early to make this kind of call.

- It's his first season.

- We've got a relatively young and relatively inexperienced list.

- We've still got a few players on the list who won't be here in the next couple of years.

- We've had a crap run with injury - we've used the most or nearly the most players out of all clubs. It's meant we spent a lot of time plugging holes, and now trying to work out team balance with players returning.

- We've seen improvement with a number of players who were stagnant under Teague.

- Outside factors like the season fixture meaning a lot of teams had an easier run early on; the season being pretty even overall; not getting free hits at teams when they were smashed by COVID/injury/turmoil (been the opposite actually)


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