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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:07 pm 
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Harry Vallence

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My early call

B: McGovern Young Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Saad
C: Hayes Cripps Fisher
HF: Martin McKay Fogarty
F: TDK Curnow Owies
Foll: Pittonet Cerra Walsh
Int: Plowman Cottrell Motlop Dow


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:06 pm 
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Reading between the lines from Vossy’s presser on Friday, doubtful we will see Hewitt any time soon.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:07 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
missnaut wrote:
This is a good point. We all thought MP, MM would just slot back in but the reality is they've missed a lot of footy, and the team has missed a lot of time playing together. JW and LY still look like they're working each other out too.


QFT FYI

I'm more concerned about our structure and mindset. Some of highest rated defenders have regressed to Teague defence over the past few weeks. Weitering just refuses to defend his player and instead wants to fold back and cover space. Taylor Walkers footskills are too good to let him run around distributing the ball without pressure.
Plowman turned the ball over terribly last night but he could show a few of the other defenders what it means to defend your player.
I'm bemused by the posts about Jack. If anyone thinks his omission contributed to the loss, they're dreaming. It was actually good to see Jack have a run on the wing and have an easier game other than getting bashed in the ruck. We couldn't get the ball out of the Crows forward line. His omission wasn't the reason for that. As Voss said in his PC, the Crows took the ball off us 35 times when we were trying to exit their forward line. That's unforgivable.
Weiters is playing arrogant footy, Doc's decision making with the ball has been poor all season and we didn't adapt to the Saad tag. Keays was instructed to run from the contest and to run toward goal regardless of who had the advantage.
We needed to win the contests or get Saad to sacrifice his game. We failed to do either.

The tactic of playing half forwards up at the ball has backfired the last 6 weeks. The opposition are using their wings or half forwards to man up Walsh at the stoppages and their half backs are cutting us up. Brodie Smith had a picnic last night.
Combine that with our wings being ineffective and we're losing too many contests between the arcs.

Pitto was very rusty last night but he'll get better. I also thought TDK was better performed in the ruck when he's playing the back up role.
As I said earlier in the season, i'd rotate Walsh and Cerra wing-H/F-midfield with Fisher. Play 6 forwards. The strategy with Walsh worked well for a month but like all successful strategies, the opposition will counter them.

I have concerns for Hewitt. I wouldn't be surprised to see him shelved for the season. If Kennedy is concussed, he'll miss next week as well.

Voss needs to have some serious discussions with some key players. Weitering needs to go back to beating one opponent instead of worrying about telling everyone else how to play.
Young needs to harden the @#$%&! up. He looked like he lost all confidence last night because the conditions were a bit wet.
If we weren't playing a team with 2 extra tall forwards next week, I would have dropped him for Marchbank.
Harry needed to find ways to win the ball when the umpires aren't paying his flops.
Doc shouldn't kick the ball out from a point if he cant do anything other than kick it long to an outnumber. McGovern is easily the best kick. Let him kick the ball in.

Plowman Young Docherty
Saad Weitering McGovern
Walsh Dow O'Brien
Fisher Harry Owies
Motlop Charlie Martin
TDK Cripps Cottrell (Tag Neale)
Newman Pittonet JSOS Cerra (Setterfield Sub)

Assuming Kennedy and Durdin miss with injury.


Not disputing your analysiis but systems and structures always look shite when there's little effort
Once effort and mindset are at the level required, we would all be shocked at how our own systems, structures and set ups look better...because for one, it then challenges the opp coaches to have to make changes...we live our lives with cause and effect, action-reaction etc.
EFFORT (the mind willing the body on to want to win every contest) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SYSTEMS


Someone who clearly has some good understating of high performance :clap:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:10 pm 
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Also, unfortunately, contrary to our team song, Carlton are a team that OFTEN lets you down.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 6:32 pm 
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I said before the Adelaide game that I thought this side would be the right group to give Brisbane a touch up:

B: Saad Young Marchbank
HB: McGovern Weitering Docherty
R: Pittonet Hewett Cerra
C: Walsh Cripps Cottrell
HF: Fisher McKay Motlop
F: Curnow Silvagni Durdin

I: Newman Kennedy De Koning Stocker

Nekminnit, a quarter of them are in the triage. :lol:

Structurally, the extra outside defenders would’ve sured up the transition because they’re the blokes on our list that can win a contested footy. They’ll be in short supply for this game, but we’re not completely exhausted.

If stitches or Flex Tape can’t get Newman over the line, Kemp will be a suitable replacement. Newnes for Stocker will also work.

Owies is the logical choice for Durdin, but Hewett and Kennedy are much harder to replace. Setterfield and Dow would be the obvious change, but I’d be inclined to go with Fogarty in that first receiver role that Hewett has been playing. I can’t have Setterfield in any scenario.

So, that leaves us with:

B: Saad Young Marchbank
HB: McGovern Weitering Docherty
R: Pittonet Fogarty Cerra
C: Walsh Cripps Cottrell
HF: Fisher McKay Motlop
F: Curnow Silvagni Owies

I: Kemp Dow De Koning Newnes
Sub: Plowman

IN: Marchbank, Fogarty, Silvagni, Kemp, Dow, Newnes
OUT: Plowman, Setterfield, O’Brien, Newman, Durdin, Kennedy

Probably a wee bit fanciful…

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:15 pm 
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I’ll go out Kennedy, Newman Durdin and one of Setterfield or O’Brien
In Hayes, Newnes Dow and Silvagni

I wish Ed Curnow was fit, I’d like to play him on Neale


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:24 pm 
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Honestly they were nothing special for 3 quarters.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:10 pm 
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They're @#$%&! useless outside of the GABBA.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:25 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
They're @#$%&! useless outside of the GABBA.

The fact that Mitch Robinson is still getting a game says a lot.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:05 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
I understand the criticism of some of Doc's kicking out of the backline but reckon some of Walsh's kicking into our forward 50 has been equally as bad.


Yep. Its all bombs away.

Ratten Malthouse Teague, they loved the long bomb.
At least Ratten had Setanta and his little helpers.
Bolton was ridiculously defensive. Moreso than Hawks circa 2005-6.

Now Voss.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:23 pm 
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We can beat the Lions if we bring the heat, and cover injuries like we have all year.

Kennedy, Newman, Durdin all injured, unconfirmed availability.

Stocker concussion unconfirmed

No players returning from injury.

Martin, Dow, Marchbank, Hayes can all be called up
Hayes is back too.
Honey can be considered, but hasn't been showing enough for a HF.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2022 11:03 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
I understand the criticism of some of Doc's kicking out of the backline but reckon some of Walsh's kicking into our forward 50 has been equally as bad.


Yep. Its all bombs away.

Ratten Malthouse Teague, they loved the long bomb.
At least Ratten had Setanta and his little helpers.
Bolton was ridiculously defensive. Moreso than Hawks circa 2005-6.

Now Voss.

The kingdom for a target at CHF.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:16 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Most likely without Hewett Kennedy Durdin & Newman next week. We can’t take a trick

I also struggle to see Curnow McKay TDK Silvagni & Pittonet all in the one side

They did for the first three rounds and we won those.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:24 am 
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Too early to call but I’ll say it again and again
The most important employeee at an AFL club is your List Manager
Not the senior coach
With Geelong Scott is a very good coach but he would be nothing without Stephen Wells
Yes Geelong have become better this year around the contest but that wouldn’t occur without Atkins and Holmes. Both were rookie picks

We have to be ruthless with List Management
Example
Setterfield’s contract is up
Time to delist or get a trade
Look to the lower leagues
The SANFL in particular continues to dish up talent that blossoms later
Austin is more important than Voss


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:30 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
My reasonably new look blues team from available players with a little more run.

B: Kemp Weitering Young

HB: Saad McGovern Cerra

C: Walsh Cripps Docherty

HF: Fisher Curnow Martin

F: Owies McKay Fogarty

Foll: Pittonett Dow Hewitt

Bench: JSOS Cottrell TDK Newman Caroll - sub


My biggest problem was the last small forward. I feel its time for Motlop to go back to the VFL and Fogarty is the best of the rest.

I had no issue with LOB and Setterfield going. Walsh and Doc makes us much better.

Cerra at HB gives us both run and decent kicking from defence which we lack.

Kemp replacing Plowman gives us better marking, and less mistakes in the backline.

The FB line may appear to be tall but look at the HB and wings. Both have the ability to drift back.


You have to think outside the square and rely on who is standing.

Have you seen Fogarty sprint with speed after 5 metres?
He's quick off the mark, after than he looks to be jogging on the spot.

I'd take a half baked Martin than Fogarty.

Huge doubts on Hewett for this game, or the next. No one knows when...and it doesnt look like this game.
Newman doesnt look like he will play this week due to deep cut on top of knee.

Carroll looked lost in the VFL. Hasnt fired a shot since returning from injury.

The cupboard is bare.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:31 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
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our wingers have let us down all year, no run, no line breakers, dismal disposal and no presence


Sadly agree. We don’t get enough from O’Brien Cottrell Setterfield. Too inconsistent



Sadly true.

I'd keep Cottrell with a run with role...I like BVs idea of tagging Lachie Neal

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:35 am 
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malbi wrote:
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Most likely without Hewett Kennedy Durdin & Newman next week. We can’t take a trick

I also struggle to see Curnow McKay TDK Silvagni & Pittonet all in the one side

They did for the first three rounds and we won those.



exactly

The talls are not the problem.

Harry dropping catches is, but that's another story. Ditto Young, and Weiters hasnt been marking like he was prior to injury, but they aren't the talls you're referring too.

We lost it in the contest and the clearances: our one wood. Other than Hewett missing, Why?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:39 am 
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Hayes is available again. Has had a couple of weeks to think about his first game.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:13 am 
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Need to shake up the midfield somehow.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:31 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
I gave all social media and TC a miss until now since I was too angry after the game last night.

Out: Kennedy (concussion), Newman (knee), Durdin (shoulder),
In: Dow, Kemp, JSOS
Medi sub: Honey

Pittonet back in is a huge change to our on ball dynamic and we need a few games to get back into rhythm, having Dow in may help that given he played two games with Pittonet recently.

LOB, Setterfield and Cottrell were very disappointing between the arcs but the cupboard is bare, I don’t see Newnes as a solution.

Stocker won’t be available due to concussion and I’m not convinced Marchbank is ready, also I think Kemp is quicker than Marchbank, and we’re already a bit tall and slow with Young, Weitering and Plowman.

Dow is a no brainer given Hewitt seems unlikely to be available, he seems to have been heavily tagged the last few weeks but still found a away to impact which is good for his game.

Neither of Martin, Carroll nor Marchbank impressed me in the vfl.

Also there’s ANOTHER flowering VFL bye next week! So Martin and Marchbank won’t be getting any match practice.


I forgot about Hayes being available.

Out: Kennedy (concussion), Newman (knee), Durdin (shoulder), Setterfield/LOB
In: Dow, Kemp, JSOS, Hayes
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