It's angst over a word.

If Jack was 'managed' we'd all be saying 'well played by the club, good depth, good management ahead of finals'...

Jack to my mind is the perfect push-up defensive forward. We will lose one of durdin/motlop/owies and JSOS will be back in to play his real role.

JSOS - Charlie - Owies
Fisher - Harry - Durdin

Is our best forward 6 this year I reckon. Fisher rotating in the middle where he has been good.

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What I like is the options and flexibility

If we have

Martin McKay Fisher
Silvagni Charlie Owies

Then you have TDK who can go through the Ruck and/or Forward
Motlop or Durdin who can rotate through forward line and will allow Fisher or Martin to spend minutes up the ground
A bench with an extra mid (ie. Cerra) allows Walsh, Cerra Kennedy to go up forward
Extra bench spot is for 7th defender

Also, allows us to cover for injury. i.e McGovern goes down Silvangi can go back or of needed can go into ruck

So many options within the game

You lucky bugger.
I haven't been to the new ground/stadium, and covid has spoilt all intentions.
This weekend my son has a bye. We were booked to take him to the snow, like I did with son No 1 last week.
He injured himself in the Academy Cup, and can't go.

I would've gone to Adelaide with son No. 1 or you if I had've known. Enjoy.

I will be thrilled if a lot of Crows Members dont attend, and the SA Carlton Army are there in force.
Similar to the WCE game. Go Blues.

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One ruck or 2 BH? If it's 2, where do you rotate them?
It can't exclusively be the bench IMO. That leaves 3 rotations for the remaining 20 players.

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Honey needs to develop a desire to hunt the ball and opposition like he did last year imo.

I've been annoyed watching him ball watching a bit.

With that power, strength and mongrel, he should be smashing in....IF, he wants a spot in the Finals team, before the cavalry arrives (Hewett, Marchbank, Martin, Williams, Boyd..)

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TDK and pitto, rotate bench through forwards. Jack Martin the wild card too.

Good problem to have but JSOS offers so much more than a ruck fill in

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It's justified angst, we are the ones that argue with flower opposition supporters about Silvagni's ability. Saying managed is fine, saying omitted is "told ya he's a shit player, only in the AFL because of his name"

Apart from that we know the effort he brings week in week out. If he's fit he plays.

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I agree - wording was shit but the 'only getting a game because of your name' will never leave him from other clubs.

Harry and soul bloke who is worth so much to this team

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I think Honey and Motlop are different body types and players. Honey bigger by 7 cm in height and 10 kg heavier.
To me one is a small forward, and the other is a medium forward, as we have debated in the past.

I doubt Motlop would beat Honey in a foot race, but at the moment Motlop is playing with a greater desire to attack the ball, and man, than Honey. Hence imo Motlop is is more valuable to the team. Honey didnt do a preseason either, so he's always going to be behind the others who did this year

I don't think either are ready, nor have the weapons the team needs to play Finals. If I had to pick one if injuries forced me, I'd pick Motlop for forward pressure. Only reason I'd pick Honey is for his mongrel and ability to hurt the opposition in the game of attrition. But lately he's been ball watching too much and not showing any physical presence.

IMO Martin will be back after he's served time in VFL, and most important, if his form warrants a spot in best 22. The 2 smalls first picked will be Owies and Durdin, and the Medium Forward most likely will be Martin. Cuningham, also hasnt done a preseason, nor played any games this year to be considered as a medium forward.

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Are you saying Jack is quicker than TDK?

Jack's IQ makes him a great marking link further up the ground.
His forward pressure is not as strong as I would like. He isn't quick, and isnt nimble.
TDK is like a fanatical teenager with his ground ball pressure. He has improved a lot.
With Pitto back, TDK will bring even more energy to the contest imo: in the air and on the ground.
Kreuzer is his coach and Kreuzer's made all his ruck students ruck rovers after the ball up.

The MC/ Voss seem to think TDK provided more than SOS.

I hope to see Jack as the Med Sub in a Finals, especially the GF.
Can you imagine the desperation he will bring in a GF?

I want his name on the locker, with his dad and his Nono, and a Father-Son player in the future.

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Voss has made it clear today Jack was dropped in favour of 2 rucks

Good point.

IMHO, I believe Steve Silvagni was a much better footballer than Jack.

Medi Sub make you feel a bit better?
Good Insurance for the team, and his name is on the team sheet ...getting closer to 100 games...and the prospect of a Father Son!

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There’s a lot of assumption and hearsay in your post.

How do you know Argo is correct? How do you know Kennedy didn’t sook to anyone while he was out? If Agro hadn’t heard JSOS say that then would that change your opinion? Maybe Agro heard Kennedy say something similar but chose not to post it here.

Even if you’re Michael Voss you don’t know what every player is saying about every selection to their friends or family.

Great summary Cru. Agree....and Motlop with a full preseason under his belt could be anything.

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I guess it also depends on how they divide the time between Pitto and TDK.
JSOS is a better forward option than both but if the priority is to maintain ruck dominance and sacrifice something forward banking on Charlie and H to get the job done with the flow on affect of ruck dominance meaning our mids then get more of it then fair enough.
However if the plan is for Pitto to ruck 75 to 80% of the time with TDK more of a back up, I'd have gone with JSOS in that role myself.

What would you do is a fully fit Williams is available against Dees and Pies before Finals?

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I think TDK forward just makes our forwardline an absolute nightmare for the opposition to match up
Our smalls need to get to work though to take advantage of this

Especially when one of the 3 is marking on the wing to give the Defense an outlet; the 2nd tall is at CHF roaming as a marking option; and if 2nd tall not in best position and another player found to link with in the interim, we should also have the 3rd tall in the goal square with a small at his feet.

McKay 200cm great mark
TDK 200ck gets his hands to the ball and takes a few marks
Charlie great mark

WEAPONS

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Geez this whole thing with Jack is a storm in a tea cup.

Let's go out and win and do it convincingly so everyone can STFU.

Watch the circus if we lose though...

If that's the reason, then that's great.

2 bonafide ruckmen to curtail whatever the opposition throw at us.

Gawn/ Jackson vs Pittonet/ TDK in the GF. That looks fairer to me.

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