We fluffed our lines once again on the big stage tonight- someone referenced David Parkin and our 1993 Grand final side - once Voss sorts through the Powell’s, Athorn’s, Sholl’s etc out we’ll be on our way.


And yeah that cheating flog #22 - passed on some tips to his mates as well.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

One moment summed up the entire performance, Hawkins taking the ball out of the ruck unopposed for that goal. Amateur hour fron Carlton.


The commentators then carrying on how strong he was to be able to do that just rubbed salt into the wound.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

We got given a lesson in hard disciplined football by a side that we’re too big and too good

Durdin and Motlop haven’t seen that type of pressure before and were overwhelmed.

Hayes, Newman, Newnes, Cottrell are limited players and got shown up.

Harry drank too much of the bath water.

We’ve definitely improved but have a way to go

let me add to this in agreement.

it was pretty bad, but i do find myself reminding myself, that we havent played finals for 10 years (even then by default) so we arent going to go from boiled lollies to chocolates overnight (though we have pretty much been close to that)

still, does change how frustrating and dissappointing last night was ...

3/4 umpiring felt like the worst display of umpiring i have witnessed ... or am i just one eyed?

In finals we will need Pitto, we also need more than 1 season to take out the kinks (both players and plays) but we are getting better and each of these type games is gold for our development.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Why did we get Hayes again? Vanilla player. And 27 years of age. What a waste.

Geez we were poor last night. McKays worst game for a long time.

These guys better stop talking and taking some action.

We cannot handle pressure. Simple as that. How many out of bounds on the full last night, too much for a so called professional outfit.

No leadership out there, and none from our captain either.

Yep I knew we weren't going to win after that goal.

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100%

this wasnt a kid in his 1st game and is 18 years old ...

dare i say it, we missed o'brien ... at least he can use the ball well, for all his other faults, i think his delivery into the forward line was missed yesterday. It certainly wasnt replaced by Hayes.

one last thing for me, before i get stuck into building a wall ...

the one glimmer i have out of this game, is i feel like after every loss we have had this year, we have corrected ourselves after ... this could be a good result for us, in the long term. It shows what we need to do etc.. compare freo / freo games as an example .. think this is a good dress rehersal for the finals, and we fluffed our lines, but the second performance will be better, that im sure of, and that has been our improvement this year.

The umpiring wasn't the difference but if someone can explain to me why Doc gets a 50 paid against him when it was the Geelong bloke holding the ball up then that'd be appreciated.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Yep he was poor.

Still think we are a limited team

Too much reliance on individual brilliance ie Charlie and Harry

Winning premierships requires a drilled team able to adapt when required

We are not cohesive enough and our bottom 6 continually let us down when the pressure is applied

The skill errors and brain fades last night were horrendous

The Hawkins goal and Stanley mark was amateur hour

Mate of mine barracks for the Dogs and texted during the game that he was wrapped Hayes was playing for someone else. Said he’s one of those annoying types that does too much at VFL level to ignore but isn’t up to it when he plays ones.

Last night would be exhibit A for Carlton

This.

It was dispacable.

Grade 6 shit.

Nobody going up.
WTF????

Youbg back to shitting himself.
Plowman always does it.
Panic merchants.

Cripps 17 touches?

Outcoached at stoppages from the start.

Durdin wasteful once again. Needs a spell in VFL IMO. Small forwards need to max chances.

McKay rubbish 2 weeks running when it matters in first halves. Absolutely panted by TDK2.

Weitering has been awful since coming back. Paid his man zero attention and got duly burned.

We haven't won consecutive games for 2 months. We are overrated and average.

But what was most disappointing was the widespread fumbling and poor ball use. We can't handle the heat and panic like little babies. Woeful.

Very disappointed still from last nights game. But this year was all about learning and playing any finals. It has always been about next year.

I saw JSOS gesturing to someone after that looking frustrated and indicating lack of talk. I think what happened was JSOS was rucking but thought Cripps would ruck as he often does in these situations, and Cripps thought JSOS would. TDK was off the field. I can’t think of any other reasons to why no one nominated.

And yes the commentators were putrid saying how strong he was when he was rucking against nobody.

I deliberately did not read any posts here and ignored all social media last night, I was too angry.

In retrospect I think we were beaten by two things
1. Geelong system, we had nowhere to switch and forced to dump down the line too many times where we were outnumbered. This made us look slow and indecisive
2. Their pressure around the ball was excellent and made our guys fumbly

If Voss can improve our system I am sure the players can increase pressure levels.

Not sure if it's been mentioned and not sure what the stat was but our inability to take an intercept mark really killed us I thought.
Just on optics here but we got our hands to so many when they went forward but marked what felt like zero. From there the ball hits the ground and everything we tried to do was under constant pressure.
Geelong were brilliant at applying it and then setting up behind the ball once we did get the ball out. Felt like all that contributed to so many sill errors and ultimately shots at goal or goals

I wasn't sure about rushing Pitto in but also thought we got beaten in centre bounces. Not saying this is TDKs fault but early in the season Pitto's play in the centre really helped get the ball forward & create clearances. Not sure what the structure looks like because we also need outside run but our centre clearance stuff has been way down for large parts of the last couple of months so I would get him in even if it's 60% game time

Not to mention leaving the goal square empty to allow the ball to just dribble through