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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2022 9:53 am 
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2022 12:01 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Now I'm confused.
The 7th defender is a bench rotation.

The only time we have a back six is at the resets, otherwise we’re running one of the wings as a spare (albeit closer to the contest than your garden variety loose defender) & using a forward to fill the void in transition.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2022 3:05 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Now I'm confused.
The 7th defender is a bench rotation.

The only time we have a back six is at the resets, otherwise we’re running one of the wings as a spare (albeit closer to the contest than your garden variety loose defender) & using a forward to fill the void in transition.


I think you're both correct.

At the Dees, both wings play defensive and offensive, but seem to favour one side of the ground from the backline.
Its predictable but such is their form they do well doing that.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2022 7:07 pm 
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We all see it differently. IMHO, we haven't played a winger in defence for ages.
Our narrow side winger takes the defensive side at stoppages and the fat side winger fills the corridor on the defensive side of his opponent.
If we have a spare in defence, it's when the opposition send a forward up to the stoppages. Just like we do.
it's no different to how most teams play their wingers.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2022 9:19 pm 
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It's times like these I realise how much of a footy strategies numpty I am :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2022 9:44 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
We all see it differently. IMHO, we haven't played a winger in defence for ages.
Our narrow side winger takes the defensive side at stoppages and the fat side winger fills the corridor on the defensive side of his opponent.
If we have a spare in defence, it's when the opposition send a forward up to the stoppages. Just like we do.
it's no different to how most teams play their wingers.

This is the way I’m seeing it, and it’s how the wings have been drawn up since Adam was in short pants. What I’m saying though, is that the fella on the short side hasn’t been crossing half way - maybe 30% at most.

I’ve posted waaaay too much info on our forward pressure, but the underlying construct is that the forward group are doing a pretty good job, and are built to capitalise on fast entries. But, if they work to hurry a rebound, they need support at the next level to intercept and bang it straight back in. Currently, we’re conceding the space between the arcs as if by design.

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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2022 10:23 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
It's times like these I realise how much of a footy strategies numpty I am :lol:


As BV said, we all see it differently... :smile:

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 9:52 am 
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CK95 wrote:
It's times like these I realise how much of a footy strategies numpty I am :lol:


You're just interested in silverware.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 9:55 am 
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Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
We all see it differently. IMHO, we haven't played a winger in defence for ages.
Our narrow side winger takes the defensive side at stoppages and the fat side winger fills the corridor on the defensive side of his opponent.
If we have a spare in defence, it's when the opposition send a forward up to the stoppages. Just like we do.
it's no different to how most teams play their wingers.

This is the way I’m seeing it, and it’s how the wings have been drawn up since Adam was in short pants. What I’m saying though, is that the fella on the short side hasn’t been crossing half way - maybe 30% at most.

I’ve posted waaaay too much info on our forward pressure, but the underlying construct is that the forward group are doing a pretty good job, and are built to capitalise on fast entries. But, if they work to hurry a rebound, they need support at the next level to intercept and bang it straight back in. Currently, we’re conceding the space between the arcs as if by design.



Great stuff you two.

What about that 7th Defender? Is he on the bench to rotate for match ups or rests? I think he is.

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 10:05 am 
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Ya know….

when McGluvin and O’Mac are back…
it’d be nice to see young Lewis Young move
up the wing a little…!

bit like Harry does now…!

young Lewis Young has the marking…and
the kicking down pat…fitness i guess is
the is-ewwwe…but hey…Richo nearly won
a Brownlow on the wing…!


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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 10:09 am 
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tommi wrote:
Ya know….

when McGluvin and O’Mac are back…
it’d be nice to see young Lewis Young move
up the wing a little…!

bit like Harry does now…!

young Lewis Young has the marking…and
the kicking down pat…fitness i guess is
the is-ewwwe…but hey…Richo nearly won
a Brownlow on the wing…!


kindest regards tommi


What a fascinating idea Tommi.

I'm a huge fan of the marking linkman, I mean wingman.
Food for thought and apt for this thread.

I'm not confused

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 10:22 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
tommi wrote:
Ya know….

when McGluvin and O’Mac are back…
it’d be nice to see young Lewis Young move
up the wing a little…!

bit like Harry does now…!

young Lewis Young has the marking…and
the kicking down pat…fitness i guess is
the is-ewwwe…but hey…Richo nearly won
a Brownlow on the wing…!


kindest regards tommi


What a fascinating idea Tommi.

I'm a huge fan of the marking linkman, I mean wingman.
Food for thought and apt for this thread.

I'm not confused


Richo had a pretty big tank IIRC.


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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 10:40 am 
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Unknowingly blessed and as his life unfolds
Slowly unveiling the power he holds
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Seventh defender of a seventh defender
Seventh defender of a seventh defender
Seventh defender of a seventh defender
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 11:21 am 
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CK95 wrote:
Here the birth from an unbroken line
Born the healer, the seventh, his time
Unknowingly blessed and as his life unfolds
Slowly unveiling the power he holds
Ohhhh!

Seventh defender of a seventh defender
Seventh defender of a seventh defender
Seventh defender of a seventh defender
Seventh defender of a seventh defender

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 12:14 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
We all see it differently. IMHO, we haven't played a winger in defence for ages.
Our narrow side winger takes the defensive side at stoppages and the fat side winger fills the corridor on the defensive side of his opponent.
If we have a spare in defence, it's when the opposition send a forward up to the stoppages. Just like we do.
it's no different to how most teams play their wingers.

This is the way I’m seeing it, and it’s how the wings have been drawn up since Adam was in short pants. What I’m saying though, is that the fella on the short side hasn’t been crossing half way - maybe 30% at most.

I’ve posted waaaay too much info on our forward pressure, but the underlying construct is that the forward group are doing a pretty good job, and are built to capitalise on fast entries. But, if they work to hurry a rebound, they need support at the next level to intercept and bang it straight back in. Currently, we’re conceding the space between the arcs as if by design.



Great stuff you two.

What about that 7th Defender? Is he on the bench to rotate for match ups or rests? I think he is.


7th defender is a resting rotation. Usually for the running defenders.
It's not unusual for our tall defenders to play 100% game time unless they cop a knock.

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 1:06 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
We all see it differently. IMHO, we haven't played a winger in defence for ages.
Our narrow side winger takes the defensive side at stoppages and the fat side winger fills the corridor on the defensive side of his opponent.
If we have a spare in defence, it's when the opposition send a forward up to the stoppages. Just like we do.
it's no different to how most teams play their wingers.

This is the way I’m seeing it, and it’s how the wings have been drawn up since Adam was in short pants. What I’m saying though, is that the fella on the short side hasn’t been crossing half way - maybe 30% at most.

I’ve posted waaaay too much info on our forward pressure, but the underlying construct is that the forward group are doing a pretty good job, and are built to capitalise on fast entries. But, if they work to hurry a rebound, they need support at the next level to intercept and bang it straight back in. Currently, we’re conceding the space between the arcs as if by design.



Great stuff you two.

What about that 7th Defender? Is he on the bench to rotate for match ups or rests? I think he is.


Agree. The TOG numbers back that up too.

7th defender is a resting rotation. Usually for the running defenders.
It's not unusual for our tall defenders to play 100% game time unless they cop a knock.

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 1:39 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
We all see it differently. IMHO, we haven't played a winger in defence for ages.
Our narrow side winger takes the defensive side at stoppages and the fat side winger fills the corridor on the defensive side of his opponent.
If we have a spare in defence, it's when the opposition send a forward up to the stoppages. Just like we do.
it's no different to how most teams play their wingers.

This is the way I’m seeing it, and it’s how the wings have been drawn up since Adam was in short pants. What I’m saying though, is that the fella on the short side hasn’t been crossing half way - maybe 30% at most.

I’ve posted waaaay too much info on our forward pressure, but the underlying construct is that the forward group are doing a pretty good job, and are built to capitalise on fast entries. But, if they work to hurry a rebound, they need support at the next level to intercept and bang it straight back in. Currently, we’re conceding the space between the arcs as if by design.



Great stuff you two.

What about that 7th Defender? Is he on the bench to rotate for match ups or rests? I think he is.


7th defender is a resting rotation. Usually for the running defenders.
It's not unusual for our tall defenders to play 100% game time unless they cop a knock.


So, if we tell them not to run so much we only need six?


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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2022 4:51 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
We all see it differently. IMHO, we haven't played a winger in defence for ages.
Our narrow side winger takes the defensive side at stoppages and the fat side winger fills the corridor on the defensive side of his opponent.
If we have a spare in defence, it's when the opposition send a forward up to the stoppages. Just like we do.
it's no different to how most teams play their wingers.

This is the way I’m seeing it, and it’s how the wings have been drawn up since Adam was in short pants. What I’m saying though, is that the fella on the short side hasn’t been crossing half way - maybe 30% at most.

I’ve posted waaaay too much info on our forward pressure, but the underlying construct is that the forward group are doing a pretty good job, and are built to capitalise on fast entries. But, if they work to hurry a rebound, they need support at the next level to intercept and bang it straight back in. Currently, we’re conceding the space between the arcs as if by design.



Great stuff you two.

What about that 7th Defender? Is he on the bench to rotate for match ups or rests? I think he is.


7th defender is a resting rotation. Usually for the running defenders.
It's not unusual for our tall defenders to play 100% game time unless they cop a knock.


So, if we tell them not to run so much we only need six?


:lol:
It will be a common message because we usually have a 7th forward and extra mid on the bench as well.
A few weeks ago we ran a 3 man wing rotation off the bench. It depends on the opposition, form and who is available I suspect.

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Here the birth from an unbroken line
Born the healer, the seventh, his time
Unknowingly blessed and as his life unfolds
Slowly unveiling the power he holds
Ohhhh!

Seventh defender of a seventh defender
Seventh defender of a seventh defender
Seventh defender of a seventh defender
Seventh defender of a seventh defender
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