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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:12 pm 
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Here's the deal

Keogh expects every single trade to be a success or the club is a disaster.

Singling out Saad is bizarre.

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I missed that criticism. Yep bizarre.

I thought Saad and Williams are the only 2 who put the burners on and give us some creativity, week in week out.


I would ad Docherty. Busts a gut to run, carry, provide options to be creative


Agree with the creative, and Doc adds poise, but Williams and Saad have the burners (speed) Doc doesn't possess...not saying Doc is slow.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:14 pm 
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Longmuir also praised his small forwards led by Lachie Schultz who kicked three goals with nine score involvements, while Michael Walters and Sam Switkowski grabbed two majors each.

"They’ve been relentless with their buy-in to their pressure," Longmuir said. "We’re not relying on one or two players with our pressure. When it’s a certain player’s turn to hunt their man, they’re doing it."


What did our 3 smalls do this week? last week? the week before?

What was a strength in the preseason and round 1, has gone missing.

I don't buy the crap King states about Fisher's potential to be an AA.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:23 pm 
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keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
Here's the deal

Keogh expects every single trade to be a success or the club is a disaster.

Singling out Saad is bizarre.

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I missed that criticism. Yep bizarre.

I thought Saad and Williams are the only 2 who put the burners on and give us some creativity, week in week out.


Ask yourself what impact do they have on the result.
They both play as loose defenders
Why not try Saad further up the ground where we can use his pace to pressure. It’s sadly lacking in our game. Saad has played one position his whole career
On $650000 for 5 years and a first pick he needs to be more versatile
Williams had the most ineffective 36 possessions against GC
He has been tryed up the ground and no good.
Add Docherty as the third small defender.
They don’t impact the game enough.
I repeat we won’t take the next step unless we become better as a team when the opposition has the ball in space. Not just when the ball is in our defensive half
Saad and Williams should be at their peak in their footy careers

As you guys know I have had a problem with our overall recruiting strategy since 2018 when we gave up the farm for Setterfield and McGovern

It’s a general thought I have

Not that I expect every trade to be a success
The Brad Hill trade is ridiculous and he is only playing well because the team has improved overall

But overall the Saints and the Dockers have really got some gold with some late and rookie picks


I saw the problem. It wasn't anything to do with Saad or Williams. They get the ball and there's no one presenting. No one. How can Williams be more effective.

I know what you're trying to suggest with the comment "Williams had the most ineffective 36 possessions against GC", but that is so wrong to say. Its too Putin like for me. Putin justifies raiding Ukraine because he call them Nazis which they aren't. You call 36 possessions ineffective, which they weren't. Williams did a lot of great things in last week's win. Give me 36 possessions any day. You're too bias when it comes to saad and williams keogh.

I understand your gripe with recruitment, but lets get real about their performances and forget what happened in the past and what they cost. Anyway $650,000 for Saad is a great investment. He tries his best week in week out.

Brad Hill changed position from wing to HB to HF and it worked out last week. Who gives a rats arse about Brad Hill anyway?

and your last line about good late and rookie selections, which I agree, but what does that have to do with Williams and saad? let alone writing them off because they weren't late picks or rookies. Surely you can see there's something really wrong going on with that thought process.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:19 pm 
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no pressure ,no tackles and my fav long bomb into our f50 when is this club going to change the worse Game plan in the AFL


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:43 pm 
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Don't buy into the bullshit negativity of Keogh. He dropped a @#$%&! chest mark. At least he tried to make things happen and he generally did.

I also understand the frustration with the Williams turnover but I give him credit for having the guts to take the kick.


I’m with Keogh. Not negative at all - just a realist.

And re: Williams’ kick out, would you be saying that if it was a goal the difference with 1 min to play?


Uh, It wasn't 1 goal the difference. That's why he took the kick. :?

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:08 pm 
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It’s the same story with Carlton. We have some superstars in our team but it’s the bottom 6-8 players that continually let us down. It’s been the case for years. Individual brilliance can only take you so far. Player development and good systems will always outweigh a reliance on A grade talent.

Cripps was superb last night. God help us if his form declines over the year.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:43 pm 
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It’s the same story with Carlton. We have some superstars in our team but it’s the bottom 6-8 players that continually let us down.



We've gone back to the early 90s.....

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:49 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
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It’s the same story with Carlton. We have some superstars in our team but it’s the bottom 6-8 players that continually let us down.



We've gone back to the early 90s.....


if we win a flag in the next few years i'll take it


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:54 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
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Obrien isn't the answer.
He is useless and not AFL standard.
Carroll needs to come in and play that wing roll or Williamson.
We keep moving the deck chairs with Newnes and Obrien, both aren't up to it.
Move on and try something new coz what's the definition of insanity????

Rotate Cerra , Walsh and Hewett on a wing and the other wing role should be Williamson or Carroll.
The time has come enough is enough



Moving the deck chairs is exactly what will happen if williamson is recalled
He's been tried and found out.

Have you watched Willo in the VFL?
He had 3 good touches in 4th Qtr, but the previous 7 Qtrs have not been VFL standard.
Please, not Williamson.
We need smart players

Carroll looked great yesterday, but he was average against the Tigers last week.
Need to bring players in when they have strung a few good games in a row, otherwise its just more of moving deck chairs.

The issue is our top 6 AFL listed players in the VFL are not better than our bottom 6.

LOB and Carroll would be our best 2 to consider

Stocker, Phip, Kemp, Dow, Williamson Fogarty are nowhere near it...and Akuei can't get his hands on the ball.


Works both ways bondi...we need to drop players when they've played poorly over a period...I don't buy the "gifting" of games narrative. I would tell a reserves player, "look, your form in the VFL hasn't been great but we need to make some changes in the seniors. Think of this as an opportunity to show us what you have. Grasp the opportunity and you may never look back"[/quote]

How does that work? An average player in the VFL gets gifted a game because the current incumbent in the AFL side has been average. :screwy:


So in your world, we do nothing but reward shiteness in the seniors UNTIL someone has smashed the door down from the reserves...then and only then
I don't believe there is one single player in the reserves who has played consistently well for the last 3 weeks
Therefore, (injuries aside), we'll play the same bottom 6 again...yeah right (condescending emoji not required)

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:25 pm 
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WOW wrote:
It’s the same story with Carlton. We have some superstars in our team but it’s the bottom 6-8 players that continually let us down. It’s been the case for years. Individual brilliance can only take you so far. Player development and good systems will always outweigh a reliance on A grade talent.

Cripps was superb last night. God help us if his form declines over the year.
Agree... So much for the hammy worries... Cripps was excellent

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 8:03 pm 
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What I suggest to everyone is watch the best teams and how they go about it.
They don’t rely on one player too much
They have a system in place that stands up to pressure and they make the opposition work for nearly every possession.
They dont let up much to the point where the opposition wilt.
I’m convinced posters here only watch Carlton games

On the players on big money I rest my case based on their performance
They have to improve otherwise we won’t go anywhere

It’s also about being selfless and playing your role.
Once you get to that point you have a window for a couple of years where you can win a flag of playing at the top of your game at the right time

Again I make the point about Saad Docherty and Williams all playing the same role in our defensive half
Why not try Saad on a wing
In the middle to add some more perceived pressure further up the ground

I thought we relied once again on too few Saturday night.So many non contributors
If wasn’t for Weiterings late heroics against Hawthorn and Port we would be 2 and 4
Our percentage is under 100 now
A more true indication of where we are at
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:32 pm 
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So many passengers on Sat night. We had the top 5 posession getters on the ground - Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Docherty, Hewitt. Also Saad was in our best and Weitering held Tabernar goalless for 3.95 qtrs.

We also had 9 of the bottom 11 possession winners (excl Pittonet). Curnow was OK with 3 goals, Harry was injured.

Fisher, Parks, Setters, Owies, Boyd, Durdin invisible. Martin doesn't do enough (9 possessions like Fisher) but did make a couple of goals. Newnes has 15 but was awful

Cannot do worse than guys by plucking a few from the twos. Carroll, Stocker & Dow have to play. And Plowman is a better bet than Parks.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:25 am 
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keogh wrote:
What I suggest to everyone is watch the best teams and how they go about it.
They don’t rely on one player too much
They have a system in place that stands up to pressure and they make the opposition work for nearly every possession.
They dont let up much to the point where the opposition wilt.
I’m convinced posters here only watch Carlton games

On the players on big money I rest my case based on their performance
They have to improve otherwise we won’t go anywhere

It’s also about being selfless and playing your role.
Once you get to that point you have a window for a couple of years where you can win a flag of playing at the top of your game at the right time

Again I make the point about Saad Docherty and Williams all playing the same role in our defensive half
Why not try Saad on a wing
In the middle to add some more perceived pressure further up the ground

I thought we relied once again on too few Saturday night.So many non contributors
If wasn’t for Weiterings late heroics against Hawthorn and Port we would be 2 and 4
Our percentage is under 100 now
A more true indication of where we are at
We are still average


You can’t have it both ways, either our problem is that we don’t play selfless team style game with the right system, or it’s all the fault of a few overpaid and over rated players on whom we should be relying on.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:54 am 
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keogh wrote:
What I suggest to everyone is watch the best teams and how they go about it.
They don’t rely on one player too much


Like Richmond and Dustin Martin?
3 flags and they wouldn't have won any without him.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:51 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
What I suggest to everyone is watch the best teams and how they go about it.
They don’t rely on one player too much


Like Richmond and Dustin Martin?
3 flags and they wouldn't have won any without him.


Of course they would have. That's absurd.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:59 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
What I suggest to everyone is watch the best teams and how they go about it.
They don’t rely on one player too much


Like Richmond and Dustin Martin?
3 flags and they wouldn't have won any without him.


Correct!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:11 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
What I suggest to everyone is watch the best teams and how they go about it.
They don’t rely on one player too much


Like Richmond and Dustin Martin?
3 flags and they wouldn't have won any without him.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:36 pm 
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Blues21 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
What I suggest to everyone is watch the best teams and how they go about it.
They don’t rely on one player too much


Like Richmond and Dustin Martin?
3 flags and they wouldn't have won any without him.


Of course they would have. That's absurd.


I have 3 Richmond mates and they all agree they "may" have won one without him, but not 3

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:30 pm 
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The counter argument to that is Richmond wouldn’t have 3 flags if it wasn’t for Short, Broad, Graham
All the blokes that do their role. That’s the thing
The best bottom 6 get you over the line every year.
Face it guys
Our bottom 6 are putrid


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:35 pm 
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Saad does his job but we need more pressure in the middle of the ground. He needs to be more versatile
Ditto Williams
Both don’t impact enough on the result
Setters enough said


Martin simply does not impact enough and he is soft at the contest. He has great hands and good skills but I question the effort.He needs to be played more in the action . Not good enough for mine


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