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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:04 pm 
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Wing revolving door already at R7


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:10 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Who said Carroll to debut ?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:32 am 
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Wing revolving door already at R7

Seven weeks and an entire preseason, trying to force them in there.

Fair enough, it’s a new staff, they’ve come from outside the club and are at least intrigued by the athletic traits that O’Brien & Cottrell possess. Plus, they know that they’re not going to have to coach Newnes on the position. Lo and behold, they’re looking at three candidates… but, have any of them ever shown anything that would give their opponent a reason to look for them on the field?

We are, at best, -1 between the arcs. Get the right rotation with the extra defender and both rucks in play & we’re -3. Any wonder we’re ranked last for intercept marks when we don’t have the footy, and the same for both forward and long kicks when we do.

We’re playing way too much footy on our half back line to continue with the current set up.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:31 am 
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Crusader wrote:
kezza wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Who said Carroll to debut ?

He still might.
Named emergency and doubt over Hewett.

What a low act from the club, if that’s how it plays out.

Give the kid his moment. He’s got family on the other side of the country ffs.


Firstly, the aim is to win footy matches. Not to make early and public team commitments so the fans can be happy for 8 seconds when the team is announced.
Secondly, i am sure that Carroll or any player is well informed of the situation if a top 18 player has an injury cloud and has to still be cleared to play.
Thirdly, I am pretty sure Carroll and his family will know if/when he is likely to make his debut.
Finally, while I agree with many that a sub is not the right position for a debut, I am pretty sure if you asked the player, they would prefer to be sub with a chance to make their debut than play VFL with no chance to play seniors.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:35 am 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Crusader wrote:
kezza wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Who said Carroll to debut ?

He still might.
Named emergency and doubt over Hewett.

What a low act from the club, if that’s how it plays out.

Give the kid his moment. He’s got family on the other side of the country ffs.


Firstly, the aim is to win footy matches. Not to make early and public team commitments so the fans can be happy for 8 seconds when the team is announced.
Secondly, i am sure that Carroll or any player is well informed of the situation if a top 18 player has an injury cloud and has to still be cleared to play.
Thirdly, I am pretty sure Carroll and his family will know if/when he is likely to make his debut.
Finally, while I agree with many that a sub is not the right position for a debut, I am pretty sure if you asked the player, they would prefer to be sub with a chance to make their debut than play VFL with no chance to play seniors.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:20 am 
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A joke on all accounts
Setterfield is a bust but watch him get a new contract . Cost us two decent picks
O’Brien picked again. Should never been recruited in the first place. Like paying $20 to see a movie you hated over and over again.
Carroll a Monty this week Ah na. He ain’t ready yet.
Newnes is crap but hey let’s give him another game.
Cottrell offer a bit more but let’s drop him instead
No @#$%&! idea


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:23 am 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Crusader wrote:
kezza wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Who said Carroll to debut ?

He still might.
Named emergency and doubt over Hewett.

What a low act from the club, if that’s how it plays out.

Give the kid his moment. He’s got family on the other side of the country ffs.


Firstly, the aim is to win footy matches. Not to make early and public team commitments so the fans can be happy for 8 seconds when the team is announced.
Secondly, i am sure that Carroll or any player is well informed of the situation if a top 18 player has an injury cloud and has to still be cleared to play.
Thirdly, I am pretty sure Carroll and his family will know if/when he is likely to make his debut.
Finally, while I agree with many that a sub is not the right position for a debut, I am pretty sure if you asked the player, they would prefer to be sub with a chance to make their debut than play VFL with no chance to play seniors.


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Regarding the first point - how is that working out for us? 20 years of under achievement and we are still acting like the pace setters? Our problems are not going to be solved by playing ducks and drakes with injuries and selection.

The successful clubs don't treat their fans or the football community with this level of contempt. They know that clubs have insiders and intelligence and it just doesn't work. The bookies know exactly what's going on.

Sure every now and then you might pull this tactic. But please stop acting like a contender until you earn the right!

Take Hewitt for instance. Wasn't mentioned in any after match report that I saw as having any niggle or injury concern. Still hasn't and yet I hear he had his calf strapped after the game and has been limping most of the week. This is not acceptable.

You either give no information out at all or give everything out.

It's just one more transition this club needs to embrace. They've made a lot of progress in the last 8 months. I'm happy with the Board and administrative changes as well as coaching panel. But the reason you make changes is to drive innovation and progress. Carrying on the practices of the past just doesn't cut it.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:28 am 
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keogh wrote:
A joke on all accounts
Setterfield is a bust but watch him get a new contract . Cost us two decent picks
O’Brien picked again. Should never been recruited in the first place. Like paying $20 to see a movie you hated over and over again.
Carroll a Monty this week Ah na. He ain’t ready yet.
Newnes is crap but hey let’s give him another game.
Cottrell offer a bit more but let’s drop him instead
No @#$%&! idea



Just give me a blow by blow of what Cotrell offered last week
Was it the 14 disposals
Was it the 56 meters gained from the wing
Was it the zero Inside 50 kicks

Come on Keogh show me exactly where Forrest Gump contributed

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:14 am 
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Just re: the Carroll debut - this is how you could do it if you wanted to be an inclusive 'club'.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:41 am 
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Just re: the Carroll debut - this is how you could do it if you wanted to be an inclusive 'club'.



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:41 am 
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Hewitt missing from training this morning

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:46 am 
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Carlton has confirmed George Hewett will miss… despite being named and carrying an injury all week.
Young midfielder Jack Carroll to make his debut

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:52 am 
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Carlton has confirmed George Hewett will miss… despite being named and carrying an injury all week.
Young midfielder Jack Carroll to make his debut


No one is surprised. As I posted earlier, had strapping on after game, limping all week and never mentioned in the injury report. Everyone knows anyway but the club doesn't say a thing.

I'd like to think it's strategic but I fear it is really just incompetence.

Stay tuned for Harry to be next.

Just shit by Carlton.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:01 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Wing revolving door already at R7



Definitely seems the one position that Voss is trying to resolve for the long term. Might find most of our wingers delisted at end of the year the way its going. Looking forward to watching Carroll this week


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:12 am 
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Have we added anyone to the emergency list with Carroll coming into the 22?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:18 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
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I don't trust the selections anymore until they confirm no late changes on game day.



Teams look better than I expected with the inclusion of Jack, Harry & Hewett.

All the fanfare on Carroll on the web has me thinking the same as you.

Carroll should be playing.
There's one change already!

Why name Hewett in the first place when he clearly wasn't going to play.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:28 am 
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Carroll in, Hewitt out. With more than enough time for his parents to fly over...


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:02 pm 
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Even with our injuries - this is a strong lineup.

Newman Young Stocker
Williams Weitering Saad
Docherty Cripps Walsh
Fisher Curnow Martin
JSoS McKay Durdin
DeKoning Kennedy Cerra
Int: O'Brien(wing) Carroll(mid) Owies(forward) Newnes(back)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:33 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Even with our injuries - this is a strong lineup.

Newman Young Stocker
Williams Weitering Saad
Docherty Cripps Walsh
Fisher Curnow Martin
JSoS McKay Durdin
DeKoning Kennedy Cerra
Int: O'Brien(wing) Carroll(mid) Owies(forward) Newnes(back)


Don't be surprised if Harry withdraws. You can't trust Carlton with their injury reports.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:02 pm 
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I think if Harry was a doubtful starter, they would have included someone like Kemp on the emergency list. Especially since SOS will be involved in Ruck duties.

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