keogh wrote:
I know Newnes has played well in the twos but we need to move on without him
Why would we "move on without him"
If the coaching staff have given him areas to improve and he has done so in the VFL, what's the issue?
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| Author: | keogh [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
Voss making a statement Martin Setterfield very lucky Dow Stocker stiff I know Newnes has played well in the twos but we need to move on without him |
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| Author: | CFC8795 [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
Another season-defining, line-in-the-sand, must-win game. Go Blues! |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
keogh wrote: Voss making a statement Martin Setterfield very lucky Dow Stocker stiff I know Newnes has played well in the twos but we need to move on without him I think picking the best team is the way to go. Newnes seems to be in good form and offers the physicality required at AFL level, moreso than LOB imo. Development can come from maturity and practise the instructions of the coaches in VFL, and not necessarily from gifting games and stuffing up on the big stage. I love competition for spots. I just wish the talent of the wings we field are the next level. We need to find better than Newnes and LOB incase they don't improve. |
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| Author: | Blue Vain [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
keogh wrote: I know Newnes has played well in the twos but we need to move on without him Why would we "move on without him" If the coaching staff have given him areas to improve and he has done so in the VFL, what's the issue? |
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| Author: | SurreyBlue [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
Teddy Hopkins wrote: Voss understands that the wings are a problem so both Newnes and Cottrell are selected. Setterfield who is meant to be a mid takes Cripps role. Dow misses out even though he should be in for team balance. My gut feel is that Cerra, Kennedy & Hewett start middle with Walsh & Setterfield taking the wings. Rotations from there but that is what I would anticipate to kick off. Williams Young Parks Docherty Weitering Saad Walsh Kennedy Setterfield Martin Curnow Fisher Silvagni McKay Durdin Pittonet Hewett Cerra Owies Newman Newnes Cottrell Sub: O’Brien |
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| Author: | Paddycripps [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
keogh wrote: Voss making a statement Martin Setterfield very lucky Dow Stocker stiff I know Newnes has played well in the twos but we need to move on without him Newnes in shows the list is still far from perfect |
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| Author: | Paddycripps [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
If we win tomorrow AND best North and Adel we are 6 and 1. Of course we could be 3 and 2 tomorrow. |
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| Author: | Paddycripps [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
I don't mind Newnes in. Competition for spots can come from all angles. LT obviously he isn't the answer but anyone thinking we are a premiership side now is fooling themselves. We still have a number of holes and the players have a long way to go in terms of learning modern football. Our ability to transition and stop the opposition transitioning is still poor. |
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| Author: | Humpers [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
Paddycripps wrote: If we win tomorrow AND best North and Adel we are 6 and 1. Dockers in Perth next week. |
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| Author: | keogh [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
Blue Vain wrote: keogh wrote: I know Newnes has played well in the twos but we need to move on without him Why would we "move on without him" If the coaching staff have given him areas to improve and he has done so in the VFL, what's the issue? Because he is 29 and a good reserves player Prefer Dow or Stocker |
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| Author: | TheDenominator [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 12:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
Time will tell but I agree |
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| Author: | DesEnglish [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
keogh wrote: Blue Vain wrote: keogh wrote: I know Newnes has played well in the twos but we need to move on without him Why would we "move on without him" If the coaching staff have given him areas to improve and he has done so in the VFL, what's the issue? Because he is 29 and a good reserves player Prefer Dow or Stocker Agree, we need to play guys that have upside. Newnes is as good as he’s going to get |
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| Author: | bluebo baggers [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
DesEnglish wrote: keogh wrote: Blue Vain wrote: keogh wrote: I know Newnes has played well in the twos but we need to move on without him Why would we "move on without him" If the coaching staff have given him areas to improve and he has done so in the VFL, what's the issue? Because he is 29 and a good reserves player Prefer Dow or Stocker Agree, we need to play guys that have upside. Newnes is as good as he’s going to get Would rather play the blokes the match committee think will get us the win |
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| Author: | rhino27 [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
bluebo baggers wrote: DesEnglish wrote: keogh wrote: Blue Vain wrote: keogh wrote: I know Newnes has played well in the twos but we need to move on without him Why would we "move on without him" If the coaching staff have given him areas to improve and he has done so in the VFL, what's the issue? Because he is 29 and a good reserves player Prefer Dow or Stocker Agree, we need to play guys that have upside. Newnes is as good as he’s going to get Would rather play the blokes the match committee think will get us the win Exactly |
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| Author: | CK95 [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
I agree with the outs, but Newnes & Cottrell just seem so.....'Teague era' to me. Admittedly I'm jaded. Anyway regardless of who plays wing or who takes Cripps' role or whatever, we have some massive advantages tomorrow. We have 4 quality mids up against a side that didn't get a goal in a half of footy last week. We have Harry & Charlie up forward & weiters down back & no Dixon. We have pitto up against a first gamer. No excuses, at all. |
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| Author: | Teddy Hopkins [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
All the posters about wings lately and I have been one, there is a good article on the AFL website regarding Ed Langdon from Melbourne and his importance to their structure. If we haven't got players to dominate wings, triers and maybe that is what Cottrell and Newnes are in for. |
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| Author: | Crusader [ Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
CK95 wrote: I agree with the outs, but Newnes & Cottrell just seem so.....'Teague era' to me. Admittedly I'm jaded. Anyway regardless of who plays wing or who takes Cripps' role or whatever, we have some massive advantages tomorrow. We have 4 quality mids up against a side that didn't get a goal in a half of footy last week. We have Harry & Charlie up forward & weiters down back & no Dixon. We have pitto up against a first gamer. No excuses, at all. Couple of worrying stats from the KPIs on the Footy Live app: 86.8% - the percentage of our kicks that have been directed forward. The lowest of any side. 8.8% - we’ve targeted the corridor just 8.8% of the time when exiting defensive 50. The lowest of any side. Have ourselves some ‘Malthouse era’ as well. |
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| Author: | Mickstar [ Sun Apr 17, 2022 8:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
Reckon we will destroy this mob . Selections are good coz we need more run and the in"s provide that . No guts , no glory , Voss aint mucking' around . Very aware of weaknesses and is working very hard to get things right . |
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| Author: | carntheblues [ Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
SurreyBlue wrote: Teddy Hopkins wrote: Voss understands that the wings are a problem so both Newnes and Cottrell are selected. Setterfield who is meant to be a mid takes Cripps role. Dow misses out even though he should be in for team balance. My gut feel is that Cerra, Kennedy & Hewett start middle with Walsh & Setterfield taking the wings. Rotations from there but that is what I would anticipate to kick off. Williams Young Parks Docherty Weitering Saad Walsh Kennedy Setterfield Martin Curnow Fisher Silvagni McKay Durdin Pittonet Hewett Cerra Owies Newman Newnes Cottrell Sub: O’Brien Interesting article on AFL website by Riley Beveridge on the role of the wingers. I quote: " Clubs believe that external assessment s of their wingers are often impossible, such are the unforeseen roles they play away from the ball" They talk of Ed Langdon exemplifying this new winger role. I watched him carefully last night with Melbourne playing GWS, he didn't get a lot of the ball but nearly always was in the frame. I will watch our wingers very closely today. Personally fom the 2 games I have been to this year, I thought Setterfield was pretty good. I think the selections not only reflect more running, but also more aggression around the ball. |
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| Author: | Blue Vain [ Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port (prematch discussion) |
carntheblues wrote: Interesting article on AFL website by Riley Beveridge on the role of the wingers. I quote: " Clubs believe that external assessment s of their wingers are often impossible, such are the unforeseen roles they play away from the ball" They talk of Ed Langdon exemplifying this new winger role. I watched him carefully last night with Melbourne playing GWS, he didn't get a lot of the ball but nearly always was in the frame. I will watch our wingers very closely today. Personally fom the 2 games I have been to this year, I thought Setterfield was pretty good. I think the selections not only reflect more running, but also more aggression around the ball. Good assessment. Setterfield has been very good at getting back into defence to assist. Our balance around the stoppages will be interesting today. Last week Witts hit the ball to space whilst Cripps was still getting inside the stoppage hoping to win the hard ball. With TDK not competing, Cripps effectiveness was markedly reduced. His opponent was probably BOG at 1/4 time. We were killed at the stoppages around the ground and Port are very strong in that area. Dont be fooled by Ports place on the ladder. They win plenty of ball, they kept Melbourne below 70 points last week without Allir and they can still win plenty of inside/outside ball. They still 1st in the AFL for clearances and tackles so their work rate and endeavour hasn't dropped off. Converting inside 50s to score has been their problem. Gray coming back will definitely help that. We need big games from Kennedy, Cerra and a huge game from Pittonet today. In the past he's come up against second string ruckman and failed to impact as he should. They'll come in with a lot of belief after we folded last time against them. The challenge is there for our players to show they're better than that now. After tipping us to lose last week, I'm tipping us to fall in today. By under 10 points. But a win's a win. Our next 2 weeks will be tougher assignments. |
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