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 Post subject: Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:51 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Reckon we will bounce back . Martin , Fisher and Owies were atrocious and need a spell . Slowly but surely Voss needs to sift through them and weed a few out . They have all had a good go , time to act . Its that bottom six thing . They won't make you but sure as hell they will break you .


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 Post subject: Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:54 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Also , is that right that Amon has not signed at Port ? No doubt Voss will be in his ear .


No thanks. Not tough enough.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:10 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Same applies to Setters Martin plowman Fogarty
Every player has a bad game but some blokes still put in 100%
Silvangi Walsh still give something
Not the 4 mentioned
Cerra is soft as well
He was the fifth best mid at the Dockers last year
Lacks hardness
When Cripps went off you expect the other mids to step up and the bare minimum hold their own
Hewitt was ok
Walsh kept presenting
Cerra was second to the contest yesterday when we needed him more than ever
We have given up a lot to get him
It’s his 5 th year. A down hill skier yesterday
You just don't care about facts.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:34 pm 
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Port lose this and they're 0-5... they will come at us hard

Big test of our ability to cover the loss of key players

I'm not confident...

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 Post subject: Re: Rd 5: Carlton v Port
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:39 pm 
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We owe them from last season and they’re ripe for the picking.

Port by 24


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:56 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
keogh wrote:
Same applies to Setters Martin plowman Fogarty
Every player has a bad game but some blokes still put in 100%
Silvangi Walsh still give something
Not the 4 mentioned
Cerra is soft as well
He was the fifth best mid at the Dockers last year
Lacks hardness
When Cripps went off you expect the other mids to step up and the bare minimum hold their own
Hewitt was ok
Walsh kept presenting
Cerra was second to the contest yesterday when we needed him more than ever
We have given up a lot to get him
It’s his 5 th year. A down hill skier yesterday
You just don't care about facts.

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Do you watch the game
Do you watch the preliminary finals TheGrand Final
And how many times when someone of significance goes down in the past that the so called gun other players don’t step up to the plate

Fact is we arnt a young team anymore partly due to trading away picks ( first rounders) and used salary cap space plus long term contracts
Our time by the way we have traded and recruited in the last 4 years is now

Yesterdays effort was terrible but last weeks was crap after quarter time as well
Cerra was very ordinary yesterday
IMO he was Freo s 5 th best mid after Mundy Fyfe Serong and Brayshaw
After Cripps went down it was his time to step up and he was pathetic
Second to the ball in congestion
Like Setterfield a bust as an inside mid
Cerra is a better footballer than Setterfield but given what we gave up to get him and his pay packet we should expect more
I’m not saying that a player isn’t entitled to a bad game but it’s the effort or lack of it I don’t like.
8 tackles reads well but also shows he was second to the ball


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:14 pm 
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Ah so it isn't fact that Cerra is Freos 5th best. It's your opinion.

Has one average game and he's crap.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:20 pm 
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I’m looking forward to this match.
We should have known GC we’re going to come hard and Voss said we did and we trained for it.
Yet, after we got the first two goals, we took our foot off the gas.

Port are a hardened team and they will come twice as hard as GC. We have branded ourselves as a tough, contested ball team. We will see…

(PS. west Coast won a flag without 3 of their best 5 players… )


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:24 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
Ah so it isn't fact that Cerra is Freos 5th best. It's your opinion.

Has one average game and he's crap.

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He is not crap
But he is more an outside mid than inside
So when your best inside mid goes down shouldn’t you be able to adapt


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:33 pm 
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The only way to look at the game of footy is to look at the now: the list; the 22 going out to battle.
The moment you judge what a player cost in the past is the moment your opinion goes pear shaped by the cost, then you have these expectations when you consider what a first year, first round draftee costs the club....you know the those players who only cost us a first round pick....Dow, OBrien, Bootsma, Boekhurst, Watson, Menzel, SPS...mate, only a first round pick....add Kemp, Philp, Stocker.... Add Prespakis to give you a better picture about guarantees and first round picks.

Cerra was 2nd to the ball....cost us a first round pick
Kennedy was 3rd to the ball....cost us a first round pick.

Covid?

What I know is that in round 1 Cerra was always first to the ball in his area and he was awarded plenty of frees for in the back.

What about those who didnt cost us a first round pick? Martin, Docherty....

Focus on the list we have, not the history.
Look forward not back.
Sayers Voss Cook Williams is a new era, lets bank on that, otherwise we will be regretting 1999 all over again.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:41 pm 
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keogh wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
Ah so it isn't fact that Cerra is Freos 5th best. It's your opinion.

Has one average game and he's crap.

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He is not crap
But he is more an outside mid than inside
So when your best inside mid goes down shouldn’t you be able to adapt


You liked his round 1 game, and you haven't liked his game after catching the dreaded covid.

... and you've written him off already. The world doesn not yet understand covid, and you do?

Do you see something wrong with that attitude? I'm sure you're Jeff Kennet's son: bombastic, opiniated, ruthless, unforgiving, egotistic, uncompromising, divisive ... uncool and sooo wrong on so many fronts.

A bit early with the shotgun keogh.

He has plenty of credits as an inside mid ... he showed it just 3 weeks ago ... wake up and look back at his achievements as a kid. He's 22yo.

Hey, but I agree with you about all the players you had a go at for last game ... a moment in time, not a lifetime sentence.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:42 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
The only way to look at the game of footy is to look at the now: the list; the 22 going out to battle.
The moment you judge what a player cost in the past is the moment your opinion goes pear shaped by the cost, then you have these expectations when you consider what a first year, first round draftee costs the club....you know the those players who only cost us a first round pick....Dow, OBrien, Bootsma, Boekhurst, Watson, Menzel, SPS...mate, only a first round pick....add Kemp, Philp, Stocker.... Add Prespakis to give you a better picture about guarantees and first round picks.

Cerra was 2nd to the ball....cost us a first round pick
Kennedy was 3rd to the ball....cost us a first round pick.

Covid?

What I know is that in round 1 Cerra was always first to the ball in his area and he was awarded plenty of frees for in the back.

What about those who didnt cost us a first round pick? Martin, Docherty....

Focus on the list we have, not the history.
Look forward not back.
Sayers Voss Cook Williams is a new era, lets bank on that, otherwise we will be regretting 1999 all over again.

Stoppage clearances was 30 till 16. When the hit outs were 52 till 19 that helps but the fact is today’s footy you have to break even or be competitive in this area and scores from turn overs
Yesterday was a chance for Kennedy and Cerra to show that they can step up when they have to
The result flattered us really
It will be interesting this week to see how Voss looks at this area this week with Cripps out
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:43 pm 
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Did Cerra actually have COVID or was he just exposed?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:44 pm 
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keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
The only way to look at the game of footy is to look at the now: the list; the 22 going out to battle.
The moment you judge what a player cost in the past is the moment your opinion goes pear shaped by the cost, then you have these expectations when you consider what a first year, first round draftee costs the club....you know the those players who only cost us a first round pick....Dow, OBrien, Bootsma, Boekhurst, Watson, Menzel, SPS...mate, only a first round pick....add Kemp, Philp, Stocker.... Add Prespakis to give you a better picture about guarantees and first round picks.

Cerra was 2nd to the ball....cost us a first round pick
Kennedy was 3rd to the ball....cost us a first round pick.

Covid?

What I know is that in round 1 Cerra was always first to the ball in his area and he was awarded plenty of frees for in the back.

What about those who didnt cost us a first round pick? Martin, Docherty....

Focus on the list we have, not the history.
Look forward not back.
Sayers Voss Cook Williams is a new era, lets bank on that, otherwise we will be regretting 1999 all over again.

Stoppage clearances was 30 till 16. When the hit outs were 52 till 19 that helps but the fact is today’s footy you have to break even or be competitive in this area and scores from turn overs
Yesterday was a chance for Kennedy and Cerra to show that they can step up when they have to
The result flattered us really
It will be interesting this week to see how Voss looks at this area this week with Cripps out
Wines out helps


Agree.

They didnt adapt....but I reckon there was something else going on too.

I'm keen to see what happens this week too ... and I hope Pitto is in because ... you know what happens when rucks get dominated.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:44 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
Ah so it isn't fact that Cerra is Freos 5th best. It's your opinion.

Has one average game and he's crap.

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He is not crap
But he is more an outside mid than inside
So when your best inside mid goes down shouldn’t you be able to adapt


You liked his round 1 game, and you haven't liked his game after catching the dreaded covid.

... and you've written him off already. The world doesn not yet understand covid, and you do?

Do you see something wrong with that attitude? I'm sure you're Jeff Kennet's son: bombastic, opiniated, ruthless, unforgiving, egotistic, uncompromising, divisive ... uncool and sooo wrong on so many fronts.

A bit early with the shotgun keogh.

He has plenty of credits as an inside mid ... he showed it just 3 weeks ago ... wake up and look back at his achievements as a kid. He's 22yo.

Hey, but I agree with you about all the players you had a go at for last game ... a moment in time, not a lifetime sentence.

I did like his first game but our best player in the first 3 games whose strength is inside went down
Time to step up
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:09 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
The only way to look at the game of footy is to look at the now: the list; the 22 going out to battle.
The moment you judge what a player cost in the past is the moment your opinion goes pear shaped by the cost, then you have these expectations when you consider what a first year, first round draftee costs the club....you know the those players who only cost us a first round pick....Dow, OBrien, Bootsma, Boekhurst, Watson, Menzel, SPS...mate, only a first round pick....add Kemp, Philp, Stocker.... Add Prespakis to give you a better picture about guarantees and first round picks.

Cerra was 2nd to the ball....cost us a first round pick
Kennedy was 3rd to the ball....cost us a first round pick.

Covid?

What I know is that in round 1 Cerra was always first to the ball in his area and he was awarded plenty of frees for in the back.

What about those who didnt cost us a first round pick? Martin, Docherty....

Focus on the list we have, not the history.
Look forward not back.
Sayers Voss Cook Williams is a new era, lets bank on that, otherwise we will be regretting 1999 all over again.


Yeah , fair enough to be disappointed but not downhearted . Sayers , Voss , Cook , they aint gonna let things slide .

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:29 pm 
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keogh wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
Ah so it isn't fact that Cerra is Freos 5th best. It's your opinion.

Has one average game and he's crap.

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He is not crap
But he is more an outside mid than inside
So when your best inside mid goes down shouldn’t you be able to adapt


Beg to differ. I think he's more inside. Has good hands and handball and fights for the ball. Outside he is slow and a poor kick.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:33 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
I’m looking forward to this match.
We should have known GC we’re going to come hard and Voss said we did and we trained for it.
Yet, after we got the first two goals, we took our foot off the gas.

Port are a hardened team and they will come twice as hard as GC. We have branded ourselves as a tough, contested ball team. We will see…

(PS. west Coast won a flag without 3 of their best 5 players… )


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Yep it is hard to see Port going 0-5.

And it is easy to see Carlton blowing another game they ought to win.

Port by 4pts.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:34 pm 
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GWS wrote:
Did Cerra actually have COVID or was he just exposed?


Don't know but he was exposed on the ground yesterday.

He has shown some nice things but I'm yet to see evidence he will be a total jet.

Overrated.


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