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 Post subject: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:54 pm 
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We didn't make Finals in 2022.

In our last game for 2023 we had a few missing, (Hewett, Kennedy, Walsh, Cuningham, Boyd), and I guess a few players rushed back and not 100%.

We know the delistings thus far: Williamson, Newnes, Stocker, Hayes ... and we expect a few more. None of those were in my best 23 for 2023.

This is my Best 2023 before Trade season starts, and the Draft. From what I've seen in first week of Finals this team would given them all a run for their money.

B: Boyd Weitering Marchbank
HB: Saad Young Williams
R: Pittonet Hewett Walsh
C: Cerra Cripps Docherty
HF: Martin C.Curnow Kennedy
F: Motlop McKay DeKoning

I: McGovern Cottrell Fisher Durdin

E: Newman/ OBrien/ Cuningham/ Honey

McGovern 7th Defender
Cottrell rotate on wing
Fisher in because he can play midfield
Durdin rotate as a forward.

Durdin and Fisher are my weakest links, and hope Cuningham can take Fisher's spot and Honey takes Durdin's spot. One midget is plenty (Motlop).

If TDK doesn't show improvement over preseason and S.Durdin does, I would consider S. Durdin at CHB and Young in FP/ Ruck

I really hope we land a ready made wing. If that's Acres, bewdie.
I'd like to find a ready made Forward/Ruck because I have no faith in Mirkov to make it in the next year or two, and if someone like Meeks becomes available if Jackson goes to Freo....well and good.

Injuries hurt us last year. Injuries will happen again. Hopefully we've seen the worst

Depth: Durdin, Setterfield, Silvagni, Owies, Ed Curnow, Plowman, Dow, plus our emergencies Newman, OBrien, Cuningham and Honey

Developing: Philp Kemp Carroll

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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Not a bad shot at it- pretty right I suspect if they go with both Pittonet & TDK - else SOJ in for one of them. Owies maybe for one of Motlop or Durdin, though I would hope longer term they would both surpass him. A fit and firing Cunningham gets into the side somewhere but will we ever see such a being? Honey has the talent but doesn't produce it often enough in 2s let alone the 1s. That said he may be a lightbulb moment from being very special, but some never flick that switch.


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:55 pm 
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Don't mind that for the most part.
I hope Boyd gets to our best 22 as he will add a lot. And I do like Docherty through the middle (or even the wing).
I'd probably have Marchbank rotating on a wing with McGovern more of a permanent/starting role in the backline - the intercept and distribution specialist.
I can't imagine our best team doesn't include Silvagni, given his intent, attack and ability to read the play.
I'd hope that TDK grows next year to be our clear no.1 ruckman, although it may happen across the year in my ideal imaginary scenario. I'd therefore have Silvagni in ahead of Pittonet.
I also think Fisher remains in the team long term. But his output and influence lifts.

It will be interesting to see how Cunningham, Honey, Philp, Kemp push their way into the team. Aside from depth to cover injuries.

I see the weak links at the moment as follows:
Boyd - Depends on his development. Not there yet.
Pittonet - He impressed earlier in the year but wasn't as influential after his injury. I'm not sure he is the long term answer; more of a stop-gap but happy to be proven wrong.
Martin - His best is great but too rare and unpredictable.
Motlop - Needs to keep improving. Showed a fair bit this year. But year 2 can be hard.
TDK - On the right track but not there yet. I suspect he won't be able to take over no.1 until at least 2024 but hope he takes a big leap over summer.
Cottrell - Not sure how much upside he has but if he can push upwards a little and improve his consistency, he will be a real asset.
Durdin - Pressure is there but needs to improve his scoring, score involvements and consistency.
Injuries - We really need to minimise these. Not sure how much is up to the players or the fitness team or the game plan or the ground. Or just due to dumb luck. But it cannot go on like this if we are to compete at the pointy end.


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:57 pm 
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B: Boyd Young McGovern
HB: Williams Weitering Saad
C: Walsh Cripps O'Brien
HF: Martin McKay Motlop
F: Curnow TDK Durdin
Foll: Pittonet Hewett Docherty
Int: Cerra Kennedy Newman Silvagni Fisher

This is without any recruits
Not including Marchbank Dow Cuningham Setterfield as doubtful they will be on list in 2023
I expect Carroll & Kemp to step up next year
Boyd will make a difference to defence and with Williams fit Docherty can play in ball where he adds some run and dash
Voss will play two rucks
Walsh to play wing and allow Cripps Kennedy Hewett to do heavy work inside


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:38 pm 
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Interesting you think Marchbank won't be retained, Farmer. No Plow on your list, though I assume he's somewhere in the depth charts since he's contracted. Why do you think he'll be let go?


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 8:57 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
Interesting you think Marchbank won't be retained, Farmer. No Plow on your list, though I assume he's somewhere in the depth charts since he's contracted. Why do you think he'll be let go?


Just rumours. I don't know. I thought he was getting a one year deal?


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
B: Boyd Young McGovern
HB: Williams Weitering Saad
C: Walsh Cripps O'Brien
HF: Martin McKay Motlop
F: Curnow TDK Durdin
Foll: Pittonet Hewett Docherty
Int: Cerra Kennedy Newman Silvagni Fisher

This is without any recruits
Not including Marchbank Dow Cuningham Setterfield as doubtful they will be on list in 2023
I expect Carroll & Kemp to step up next year
Boyd will make a difference to defence and with Williams fit Docherty can play in ball where he adds some run and dash
Voss will play two rucks
Walsh to play wing and allow Cripps Kennedy Hewett to do heavy work inside


What role have you got SOS earmarked for?

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2022 3:49 pm 
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I think this group comprises our best players in their primary roles. Doc, Jack, Williams, perhaps even Durdin are capable of midfield minutes, but their ‘A’ games are as below.

I think Vossy’s preferred set up is to have two rucks and the 23rd man to come from the half forwards. That would allow him to maintain a defensive foothold between the arcs and push either Cripps or Kennedy inside 50 for a bit of variety.

That being the case, the gaps in the lineup are at the mercy of the outside midfielders.

Key Defenders: Weitering, Young
Medium Defenders: Marchbank, McGovern
Small Defenders: Saad, Williams, Docherty
Ruck: Pittonet, _____
Inside Mid: Cripps, Kennedy
Outside Mid: _____ , _____ , _____
Versatile Mid: Walsh, Cerra, Hewett
Key Forwards: Curnow, McKay
Half Forwards: Silvagni, _____
Small Forwards: Motlop, Durdin

There just isn’t enough pace to play a second ruck, without significant outside speed - and that’s defensive speed. Obviously, the fastest way to move the ball forward is to kick the flower thing.

Before we go adding new names to the playing list, I reckon the gaps below would filled by De Koning, Newman, Cottrell, Fisher & Martin.

Here’s where the lack of speed is evident. If we miss the target, or can only scramble the ball inside 50, the opposition can take a good 80-100m before we’ve set up a defence. So, we take out De Koning and ask Jack to play in the ruck. Now, we need another option to bring some forward pressure, at which point the quality starts to drop away.

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2022 4:11 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
B: Boyd Young McGovern
HB: Williams Weitering Saad
C: Walsh Cripps O'Brien
HF: Martin McKay Motlop
F: Curnow TDK Durdin
Foll: Pittonet Hewett Docherty
Int: Cerra Kennedy Newman Silvagni Fisher

This is without any recruits
Not including Marchbank Dow Cuningham Setterfield as doubtful they will be on list in 2023
I expect Carroll & Kemp to step up next year
Boyd will make a difference to defence and with Williams fit Docherty can play in ball where he adds some run and dash
Voss will play two rucks
Walsh to play wing and allow Cripps Kennedy Hewett to do heavy work inside


What role have you got SOS earmarked for?


Any but I still and have always believed Jack is a Full Back like his Dad. He's 194cm and that is taller than Steven May


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:40 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
B: Boyd Young McGovern
HB: Williams Weitering Saad
C: Walsh Cripps O'Brien
HF: Martin McKay Motlop
F: Curnow TDK Durdin
Foll: Pittonet Hewett Docherty
Int: Cerra Kennedy Newman Silvagni Fisher

This is without any recruits
Not including Marchbank Dow Cuningham Setterfield as doubtful they will be on list in 2023
I expect Carroll & Kemp to step up next year
Boyd will make a difference to defence and with Williams fit Docherty can play in ball where he adds some run and dash
Voss will play two rucks
Walsh to play wing and allow Cripps Kennedy Hewett to do heavy work inside


What role have you got SOS earmarked for?


Any but I still and have always believed Jack is a Full Back like his Dad. He's 194cm and that is taller than Steven May


He couldnt play any role; no way.
Nowhere near as strong as Steve May. He gets moved too easily against a bigger stronger opponent, and the talls usually are bigger and stronger.

I reckon Silvagni is nothing more than a depth player, and overrated by Carlton fans because of his name.

Don't get me wrong, I love his commitment and footy IQ, but he aint a ruckman, and he aint a FB.
He doesn't play as a tall marking, goalkicking third tall forward, but more of a linkman between backline and forwards. I like when he plays that role.

I think he's too slow, but always saw him like his Nono, Serge, as a ruck rover.

I am looking forward to his next game which puts his name on the locker, and hopefully down the track he can produce a Father Son prospect.

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:09 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
We didn't make Finals in 2022.

In our last game for 2023 we had a few missing, (Hewett, Kennedy, Walsh, Cuningham, Boyd), and I guess a few players rushed back and not 100%.

We know the delistings thus far: Williamson, Newnes, Stocker, Hayes ... and we expect a few more. None of those were in my best 23 for 2023.

This is my Best 2023 before Trade season starts, and the Draft. From what I've seen in first week of Finals this team would given them all a run for their money.

B: Boyd Weitering Marchbank
HB: Saad Young Williams
R: Pittonet Hewett Walsh
C: Cerra Cripps Docherty
HF: Martin C.Curnow Kennedy
F: Motlop McKay DeKoning

I: McGovern Cottrell Fisher Durdin

E: Newman/ OBrien/ Cuningham/ Honey

McGovern 7th Defender
Cottrell rotate on wing
Fisher in because he can play midfield
Durdin rotate as a forward.

Durdin and Fisher are my weakest links, and hope Cuningham can take Fisher's spot and Honey takes Durdin's spot. One midget is plenty (Motlop).

If TDK doesn't show improvement over preseason and S.Durdin does, I would consider S. Durdin at CHB and Young in FP/ Ruck

I really hope we land a ready made wing. If that's Acres, bewdie.
I'd like to find a ready made Forward/Ruck because I have no faith in Mirkov to make it in the next year or two, and if someone like Meeks becomes available if Jackson goes to Freo....well and good.

Injuries hurt us last year. Injuries will happen again. Hopefully we've seen the worst

Depth: Durdin, Setterfield, Silvagni, Owies, Ed Curnow, Plowman, Dow, plus our emergencies Newman, OBrien, Cuningham and Honey

Developing: Philp Kemp Carroll


B: Boyd Weitering Marchbank
HB: Saad Young Williams
R: Pittonet Hewett Cerra
C: Acres Cripps Docherty
HF: Walsh C.Curnow Kennedy
F: Motlop McKay DeKoning

I: McGovern Cottrell Fisher Martin

E: Newman/ OBrien/ Cuningham/ C.Durdin/ Silvagni

EMERGING: Carroll/ Honey/ Philp/ Kemp

DEPTH: Setterfield/ Dow/ S.Durdin/ Plowman/ Owies

Fingers crossed Pittonet returns to the form he was in before injury, and better in 2023.

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:48 pm 
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Yeah good team Bondy….

it’s a hard task hey…!

I’m guessing every player is fully fit to pick…
and if that’s the case…a fully fit Cuningham has
to be in the side…!

yeah i don’t know where either…but a firing #28 at his
best…just has to be in the first 23…!


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 10:53 am 
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tommi wrote:
Yeah good team Bondy….

it’s a hard task hey…!

I’m guessing every player is fully fit to pick…
and if that’s the case…a fully fit Cuningham has
to be in the side…!

yeah i don’t know where either…but a firing #28 at his
best…just has to be in the first 23…!


kindest regards tommi


I'm with you on Cuningham.
I'm a real fan.
He was progressing nicely and looking very dangerous at HF till he did that knee.
The fact we heard nothing about his injury and reinjury from the club is the reason I havent backed him....yet.
For me, a fit Cuners can replace any of Cottrell (speed on a wing-defensive HF), Fisher (HF-mid) or Martin (HF-mid-injured).

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:48 am 
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I am hoping that Kemp & Carroll are pushing hard for Best 22 next year.
Acres will step in if he plays like he did this year
Pick 10 or even 28 could be a player that steps in and makes a difference as well.
Boyd stepping up allows Docherty into the midfield or wing
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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:51 am 
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bondiblue wrote:

I'm with you on Cuningham.
I'm a real fan.
He was progressing nicely and looking very dangerous at HF till he did that knee.
The fact we heard nothing about his injury and reinjury from the club is the reason I havent backed him....yet.
For me, a fit Cuners can replace any of Cottrell (speed on a wing-defensive HF), Fisher (HF-mid) or Martin (HF-mid-injured).


Cuningham has the traits to be a really good player but is yet to produce anything close to being a Best 22 AFL player
It will be his 8th season next year and he has played 41 games and never been a regular


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:44 pm 
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I think most Best 22's are similar. What I am hoping is some players really step up and become best 22 next year. We need depth and more consistent contributors.

Boyd I rate and I really like Carroll who is still very young. Boyd allows Docherty to go on ball whoch worked last season and he added a real point of difference. Then there is the draft. We should bring in some genuine you talent that may step up straight away. Pick 10 or better should do that

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Lets hope that selection is a tough job in 2023 due to no injuries and everyone performing.


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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I look at it like this

There are our definite Best 22 players. It's up to the next lot to step up and fill the spots to make us better

B:............. ............. McGovern
HB: Williams Weitering Saad
C: Acres Cripps Walsh
HF: .......... McKay ...........
F: .......... Curnow .............
Foll: Pittonet Hewett Docherty
Int: Cerra Kennedy .......... ...........

The spots need to be filled by Young S.Durdin Marchbank Silvagni Newman O'Brien Cottrell TDK Motlop Martin C.Durdin Owies Carroll Kemp Plowman Fisher Cuningham Boyd Honey Philp and some good draft picks


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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

I'm with you on Cuningham.
I'm a real fan.
He was progressing nicely and looking very dangerous at HF till he did that knee.
The fact we heard nothing about his injury and reinjury from the club is the reason I havent backed him....yet.
For me, a fit Cuners can replace any of Cottrell (speed on a wing-defensive HF), Fisher (HF-mid) or Martin (HF-mid-injured).


Cuningham has the traits to be a really good player but is yet to produce anything close to being a Best 22 AFL player
It will be his 8th season next year and he has played 41 games and never been a regular


Different players have their breakthrough at different rates.
After years of injuries from hip in his first season in 2017 to hammies in 2018. His breakthrough game was against Effendopes in 2020 with close to 30 possessions.
Cuningham was an automatic selection in the first 4 games in 2021 before he did his ACL vs Dees.

I agree he has the traits to be a best 22 player and disagree he ha yet to produce anything close to a best 22. He has been recontracted because he has shown something we need, but he needs to stay fit.

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 Post subject: Re: Best 23 Team in 2023
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:56 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:

I'm with you on Cuningham.
I'm a real fan.
He was progressing nicely and looking very dangerous at HF till he did that knee.
The fact we heard nothing about his injury and reinjury from the club is the reason I havent backed him....yet.
For me, a fit Cuners can replace any of Cottrell (speed on a wing-defensive HF), Fisher (HF-mid) or Martin (HF-mid-injured).


Cuningham has the traits to be a really good player but is yet to produce anything close to being a Best 22 AFL player
It will be his 8th season next year and he has played 41 games and never been a regular


Different players have their breakthrough at different rates.
After years of injuries from hip in his first season in 2017 to hammies in 2018. His breakthrough game was against Effendopes in 2020 with close to 30 possessions.
Cuningham was an automatic selection in the first 4 games in 2021 before he did his ACL vs Dees.

I agree he has the traits to be a best 22 player and disagree he ha yet to produce anything close to a best 22. He has been recontracted because he has shown something we need, but he needs to stay fit.


Disagree. Never an automatic based on performances. Essentially had ONE really good game. Given a go when we were poor and never fully established himself.

Has a one year deal when O'Brien, Cottrell Owies got two. It's now or never


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