Too right. Fools Gold!

This is the tricky part: what's real and what's a fallacy?
Who is going to make us better and who is holding us back?

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Great post Drewgirl. Great!

Same questions I have.

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There's 9 blokes out of contract that are in some form of best 22 or another.

Ideally, we get those deals done, offer the chaff what's left, or they're replaceable.
Instead we be proactive, either trading pre-agents or ahead of out of contract time.

I think we keep Curnow and Doc for less than what the market offers.
McGovern and TDK, I'd prefer to keep, but I'd be happy to entertain offers. Hypothetically if we ended up involved with the Luke Jackson trade and ended up with Sean Darcy for less than a team offering ridiculous money for TDK, I'm not complaining.
I think McKay is definitely sell high buy low territory.
Motlop - probably need to know what the go-home factor is like. Is a 4 year deal doable to spread it out?
Plowman might have value to another side. Contracted for another year. We could probably find a similar sized defender in the VFL for less.
Pittonet would be one I'd be keen to lock in now given his injury interrupted year and our need for leverage in the TDK stakes.
Young is another I feel as though there's a bit of urgency to lock in. He had a great month of footy without Weitering.

None of those deals realistically impact our need/want for Setterfield, Newnes, Fogarty and Cuningham beyond how much we're prepared to offer them. Without knowing the exact amount they're all on, I suspect they all fit in the criteria of can find similar or slightly less for a lot less coin. If they want to take less money to stay, then keep them.

Since Hewett was out injured...



I didnt realie Cerra has been thrown around so much.

Nevertheless, we need reliable depth in the midfield group to eventually replace Dow (maybe keep him another year), Setterfield (OOC), Ed (retire), Fogarty (OOC)...not sure about Hayes.

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Great summary Galty.
Rod Galt's brother, Greg, was good at these sorts of analytics: you can't be Greg, because IIRC you're on the Gold Coast and he's in Melbourne.

Despite the laconic behaviour of Harry. I still think he is much needed. Harry and Charlie need each other, and I believe Harry will continue to get stronger and improve his kicking for goal.

Darcy would be our No 1 ruck and Pitto isnt a Fwd-ruck thus far. I think TDK will make it as a Fwd ruck. He has one weapon: his leap and mark.

With the Doc and Curnow comment, you are referring to Ed?

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Matt Crouch and Lachie Hunter can't get a regular senior game for the Crows and Dogs respectively.
I doubt they would cost much in terms of draft picks however am not sure of their salaries.
Both are only 27yo so should have a few good years left.
Neither have much pace but regardless would be a much better option on the wing than what we currently have.

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Crouch, injury prone.
Hunter is on personal leave from the club, good player though.

No thanks. Need speed and endurance to play wings. Las thing we need is more one pace plodders.

There's that too.

Speaking of which, how about Plowman onto a wing?

So the answer is tossing away players rather then developing them. I don't see us improving by simply tossing away the baby with the bathwater. Development is the key as others have stated and that is where we are way behind. So we need to get that in order. I get there will be some turnover in players but those suggesting Cunningham should go.....well that's just silly. He's had a knee reconstruction for goodness sake. Prior to that he was really starting to come into his own. On that basis we should have got rid of Doc because he had 2 knee reconstructions.

Too many changes sending the wrong message and getting us nowhere. Also the side listed is no different o this year. Very one paced. Need at least one of Martin to replace one of the smalls and Honey or Cunningham. Also I do not think Williams has the endurance to run wing. Doc would be better but I prefer Walsh on the wing. I also do not think we can play TDK, Pittonet and Jack together.

I'd prefer to keep Harry, absolutely, but I'd prefer to not blow up the entire list to accommodate his contract ahead of him, and if a team wants to offer something stupid either in terms of picks/players or contract terms, let them. Collingwood blinked with Travis Cloke in 2012, ended up with a couple of mediocre years before giving him away to the Dogs for next to nothing. I suspect the career trajectory is similar.

I have a horrible feeling that in the next 18 months it will come down to either keeping Harry or TDK, barring either completely stripping the list of depth or getting lucky that a team takes an albatross contract like Martin off us.

Agree with you in saying that I don't think a Pittonet/Darcy combination would necessarily work - I'd be of the view that we'd have Pittonet as back up, or you alternate between the two, and whoever is standing come finals time, you work around that.

Was referring to Charlie in that earlier comment - based on his commentary around his contract, and the two years paid to do very little, I think he'd be keen to repay that faith. I think 800-850 a year on average is probably realistic for us, but could easily get 1.2 elsewhere. Would also require a massive leap of faith to sign him long-term given the concerns around not only his injuries, but his commitment to managing them appropriately also.

Not so silly carna

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Martin's albatross so true. Made of paper...he goes in hard, but its all kamikaze. Thank god he was front loaded $1M in his first year.

If its true Crippa and walsh were happy with 800K to make room for the team, and Harry & Charlie do the same, we are doing OK. I think Charlie will repay our faith, and Harry has said if we want team success we all have to consider playing not at Market value.

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I can see it… #17 at the ‘G… there goes Plow on a searching run.

Down Batman Ave.

FFS

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Not ideal that somewhere between a third to a quarter of the cap is reserved for four players. When you assume a similar amount for Weitering, McGovern, Saad, TDK, Williams, that's 2/3 of the cap on 9 players.

Just on this bit…

If Charlie’s contract was (for instance) $200k base + a $30k match fee, he would’ve only received the base during the bulk of his lay off.

The CBA states that players injured in the 1s will receive their match fee, whatever that may be, for the period that they are laid up. So, an ACL in R1 will still see you earn match fees up until the end of the year.

Charlie did most of his damage at home.

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It's an interesting point, I'd be interested to see what the club legal advice would be on the prospects of defending that basis though - especially in the context of initial injury occurring on-field versus a recurrence of.....dubious means.

Either way - he's been well looked after in the past and it's great to see him returning that with some interest this year. Hopefully moreso when it comes to negotiating the next contract.

Sounds bad, but doubt it is as such.

I'm assuming Weitering, McGovern, Saad, TDK, Williams are on not on 800K, and Saad's contract wil take him to 32yo, and Gov will be traded or he signs at a much discounted rate than his previous for obvious reasons.

From the info we have read at the time of the contract and managers have had their say in response to the made up media headlines, such as Gov not on $750, but less than the $650 offerred by Crows to stay:

Saad was $600-650K.
Gov was $650. Front loaded heavily in the first couple of years because SOS couldnt land a Big Fish. maybe $500K this and next year.
Williams $700-750 Front loaded? Maybe some, along with Crippas...because SOS couldnt land a big fish with money he banked.
Weitering quietly signed on....I'd say $700 given Charlie Crippa and Walsh were highest paid at the club.
TDK, gosh he's nowhere near $800, let alone $500. He's only 23yo and only came on last year to fill in gaps.

As for TDK's next contract...still dont think it will be more than $650 but he'd really need to step up from his current form for that.

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