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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:06 pm 
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Unfortunately, I don’t think we can keep Macdonald. Just broken. Parks is next to go for mine. He isn’t KP and has shown little unfortunately. I think we’ll keep SDurdin, shows enough for a rookie spot and ofcourse Marchbank stays. We need one more, as long as we believe Akuei can and is developing.

That leaves us with Weitering, Young, Marchbank, Durdin, Akuei and one draft / trade, plus 3rd talls, McGovern and Plowman. Surely our injuries next year in this area will be better.


Yep it's our midfield's turn to be decimated.

We've had the Charlie/Harry/JSOS year, we've had the every-bloody-tall-defender year

2023 is the year of the broken down running midfielder.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Unfortunately, I don’t think we can keep Macdonald. Just broken. Parks is next to go for mine. He isn’t KP and has shown little unfortunately. I think we’ll keep SDurdin, shows enough for a rookie spot and ofcourse Marchbank stays. We need one more, as long as we believe Akuei can and is developing.

That leaves us with Weitering, Young, Marchbank, Durdin, Akuei and one draft / trade, plus 3rd talls, McGovern and Plowman. Surely our injuries next year in this area will be better.


Yep it's our midfield's turn to be decimated.

We've had the Charlie/Harry/JSOS year, we've had the every-bloody-tall-defender year

2023 is the year of the broken down running midfielder.


I think the midfield group was decimated by the Wayne Hughes and Shane Rogers :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:28 am 
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I don't know who will go but the players I believe that are under pressure are

Ed Curnow (old and injured)
Philp
Williamson
Dow (maybe a trade option)
Fogarty
McGovern (rumors he wants to go back to SA)
Parks
S.Durdin
Hayes
McDonald (injuries)
Cuningham
O'Brien
Setterfield

a lot can happen during rest of the season but I feel these players need to show more to cement a list spot


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:09 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
I don't know who will go but the players I believe that are under pressure are

Ed Curnow (old and injured)
Philp
Williamson
Dow (maybe a trade option)
Fogarty
McGovern (rumors he wants to go back to SA)
Parks
S.Durdin
Hayes
McDonald (injuries)
Cuningham
O'Brien
Setterfield

a lot can happen during rest of the season but I feel these players need to show more to cement a list spot


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The 2 MSD's have to prove they are worthy of a list spot:
Durdin.S
Hayes

Retirement:
Curnow. E (VFL Captain)

Out of contract and susceptible:
Williamson
Fogarty
Setterfield
Fogarty
Philp

Marchbank ... rookie?
Cuningham ... rookie?

ROOKIES

LOB
McDonald
Parks

I think Newnes and Newman, both 28yo this year and out of contract are preferred players based on Vossy's team selections.

LOB must be offererd a contract or or someone will get him cheap. Can remain on rookie list for another year....if he's OK with that, otherwise promoted to senior list.

I doubt we would get anything favourable for Gov, plus I can only see him going to SA on the cheap...rnd 3 at best, or 4 pick.

Assume we get Amon as a FA, and we trade for a Sholl type with a rnd 3 or 4 pick, and promote LOB, we need 3 list spots in seniors and guess we will take 2 picks Rnd 1 & 2.

Pressure on for the abovementioned guys.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:20 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
I don't know who will go but the players I believe that are under pressure are

Ed Curnow (old and injured)
Philp
Williamson
Dow (maybe a trade option)
Fogarty
McGovern (rumors he wants to go back to SA)
Parks
S.Durdin
Hayes
McDonald (injuries)
Cuningham
O'Brien
Setterfield

a lot can happen during rest of the season but I feel these players need to show more to cement a list spot


MAIN LIST

The 2 MSD's have to prove they are worthy of a list spot:
Durdin.S
Hayes

Retirement:
Curnow. E (VFL Captain)

Out of contract and susceptible:
Williamson
Fogarty
Setterfield
Fogarty
Philp

Marchbank ... rookie?
Cuningham ... rookie?

ROOKIES

LOB
McDonald
Parks

I think Newnes and Newman, both 28yo this year and out of contract are preferred players based on Vossy's team selections.

LOB must be offererd a contract or or someone will get him cheap. Can remain on rookie list for another year....if he's OK with that, otherwise promoted to senior list.

I doubt we would get anything favourable for Gov, plus I can only see him going to SA on the cheap...rnd 3 at best, or 4 pick.

Assume we get Amon as a FA, and we trade for a Sholl type with a rnd 3 or 4 pick, and promote LOB, we need 3 list spots in seniors and guess we will take 2 picks Rnd 1 & 2.

Pressure on for the abovementioned guys.



Two Durdins and two Fogarty's? Or is one of the Fogarty's a Durdin?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:46 pm 
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My two cents worth……

[4] Tall Defenders: Delist McDonald & replace via draft. Prioritise size & reach.
Weitering
Young
Durdin (r) - retained for 2023
> draft <

[5] Medium Defenders: Delist Parks.
Marchbank - 1yr contract
McGovern
Plowman
Kemp
Akuei (rB)

[6] Small Defenders: Delist Williamson.
Docherty
Saad
Williams
Stocker - 3yr contract
Newman
Boyd (r) - 1yr contract

[4] Rucks: Add depth via draft. Prioritise size & ruck craft.
Pittonet
De Koning
Mirkov (r)
> draft <

[2-3] Inside Mids: Open at least one list spot via trade.
Cripps
Kennedy
> Dow/Setterfield <

[6-7] Outside Mids: Move Cuningham to the rookie list, promote Cottrell to Primary list & add at least one premium runner.
> T/FA <
Newnes - 1yr contract
Cottrell - 2yr contract
O’Brien (r) - 1yr contract
Cuningham (r) 1yr contract
Hayes (r) - retained for 2023

[5] Versatile Mids: Ed Curnow retirement.
Walsh
Hewett
Cerra
Carroll
Philp

[4] Small Forwards: Delist Fogarty & promote Owies to Primary list.
Durdin
Motlop
Owies - 2yr contract
Fisher

[3] Medium Forwards:
Silvagni
Martin
Honey - 2yr contract

[3] Tall Forwards:
Curnow
McKay
> draft <

————————————

[6-7] Deletions:
McDonald
Parks
Williamson
Ed Curnow
Fogarty
At least one of Dow & Setterfield

[3] Internal changes:
Cuningham - Primary to Category A
Cottrell - Category A to Primary
Owies - Category B to Primary

[4-5] Additions:
1-2x Outside Mids via trade or free agency
1x Ruckman via draft
1x Tall Defender via draft
1x Tall Forward via draft

36 Primary
6 Category A
1 Category B

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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Excellent summary Crusader - hard to argue with any of it to be honest. :clap: :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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I'd be keeping one spot open for SSP or MSD and I'd also would not be offering a contract to any of our long term injured if they are still out of action come renewal time.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:54 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
I'd be keeping one spot open for SSP or MSD and I'd also would not be offering a contract to any of our long term injured if they are still out of action come renewal time.

Yeah, look, that’s fair enough, but I think it depends on the injury, the position they play & where they sit in the pecking order.

Take Marchbank for instance, a meniscus tear for him is utter horse shit. OK, he’s done a knee reco, but the rest of his rap sheet is just voodoo stuff. He’s #1, imo, in that medium defender role. He’s no athletic phenom, but he’s strong enough and plays smart footy… take a look at what’s behind him and there isn’t much choice but to keep signing him to short term deals.
McGovern is contracted & no one is going to bite early there.
Plowman is a horror show, but it’s almost always because he’s been victimised by the extremes - either way too big, or way too quick.
Kemp is still trying to figure out whether he’s Arthur or Martha.
Akuei is the exact opposite of Marchy, but counts outside the list numbers, so who cares.

Cuningham is the other one that can be moved on and, yeah, he’s probably looking at a curtain call. But, the #1 weakness in our game is the lack of forward half intercepts. We just don’t put enough pressure on the rebound. Without that recycle element, our game becomes make-or-break at the stoppages, and the extras that we bring to set pieces in the forward half are deadset turnstiles on the outside. It’s a massive vulnerability that can’t be rectified via the draft. If he’s fit for R1, then he can contribute to the solution. If not, then we’ve got the MSD as cover.

For mine, the SSP is just bin dipping after the drafts are complete. If the right guy is there in November, get it done.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:25 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Unfortunately, I don’t think we can keep Macdonald. Just broken. Parks is next to go for mine. He isn’t KP and has shown little unfortunately. I think we’ll keep SDurdin, shows enough for a rookie spot and ofcourse Marchbank stays. We need one more, as long as we believe Akuei can and is developing.

That leaves us with Weitering, Young, Marchbank, Durdin, Akuei and one draft / trade, plus 3rd talls, McGovern and Plowman. Surely our injuries next year in this area will be better.


Yep it's our midfield's turn to be decimated.

We've had the Charlie/Harry/JSOS year, we've had the every-bloody-tall-defender year

2023 is the year of the broken down running midfielder.


I think the midfield group was decimated by the Wayne Hughes and Shane Rogers :wink:

Not sure that Silvagni is blameless in the selection of mids.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:14 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
My two cents worth……

[4] Tall Defenders: Delist McDonald & replace via draft. Prioritise size & reach.
Weitering
Young
Durdin (r) - retained for 2023
> draft <

[5] Medium Defenders: Delist Parks.
Marchbank - 1yr contract
McGovern
Plowman
Kemp
Akuei (rB)

[6] Small Defenders: Delist Williamson.
Docherty
Saad
Williams
Stocker - 3yr contract
Newman
Boyd (r) - 1yr contract

[4] Rucks: Add depth via draft. Prioritise size & ruck craft.
Pittonet
De Koning
Mirkov (r)
> draft <

[2-3] Inside Mids: Open at least one list spot via trade.
Cripps
Kennedy
> Dow/Setterfield <

[6-7] Outside Mids: Move Cuningham to the rookie list, promote Cottrell to Primary list & add at least one premium runner.
> T/FA <
Newnes - 1yr contract
Cottrell - 2yr contract
O’Brien (r) - 1yr contract
Cuningham (r) 1yr contract
Hayes (r) - retained for 2023

[5] Versatile Mids: Ed Curnow retirement.
Walsh
Hewett
Cerra
Carroll
Philp

[4] Small Forwards: Delist Fogarty & promote Owies to Primary list.
Durdin
Motlop
Owies - 2yr contract
Fisher

[3] Medium Forwards:
Silvagni
Martin
Honey - 2yr contract

[3] Tall Forwards:
Curnow
McKay
> draft <

————————————

[6-7] Deletions:
McDonald
Parks
Williamson
Ed Curnow
Fogarty
At least one of Dow & Setterfield

[3] Internal changes:
Cuningham - Primary to Category A
Cottrell - Category A to Primary
Owies - Category B to Primary

[4-5] Additions:
1-2x Outside Mids via trade or free agency
1x Ruckman via draft
1x Tall Defender via draft
1x Tall Forward via draft

36 Primary
6 Category A
1 Category B


That is a great read. Thanks for the sum.
Wouldn't be surprised if its on the money.

I agree with every bit.

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 Post subject: List Management 2022
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My only query would be whether Cunningham accepts a rookie demotion or backs himself to find a new home on a primary list...

But yep great summary.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:37 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
My only query would be whether Cunningham accepts a rookie demotion or backs himself to find a new home on a primary list...

But yep great summary.

It’s not even a demotion nowadays. Unless it’s changed, I don’t even think the player’s salary is capped in any way.

When Kennedy was moved onto the rookie list, the first $80k of his salary wasn’t counted against the cap, but every dollar thereafter was.

The player’s side of the deal is the ‘Free Agent for life’ designation.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2022
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My only amendment to Crusader's excellent analysis would be to recruit an older head for the ruck instead of going to the draft, unless we think Mirkov is ready. Our ruck stocks are already youthful, I'd like us to have a plug-n-play option.


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GreatEx wrote:
My only amendment to Crusader's excellent analysis would be to recruit an older head for the ruck instead of going to the draft, unless we think Mirkov is ready. Our ruck stocks are already youthful, I'd like us to have a plug-n-play option.

Ideally one who can play forward too for coverage in that area. Ballenden type.

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Jeez Cruz , that's a lot of work . Dedication Plus .

Me , i'd be getting another Ruckman who has been around the block a couple of times . And i definitely would be hanging onto Cunningham and Marchbank . Blokes with that talent don't grow on tree's . We have been very patient and put a lot of work into these two . What's another year ?

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Mickstar wrote:
Jeez Cruz , that's a lot of work . Dedication Plus .

Me , i'd be getting another Ruckman who has been around the block a couple of times . And i definitely would be hanging onto Cunningham and Marchbank . Blokes with that talent don't grow on tree's . We have been very patient and put a lot of work into these two . What's another year ?


And knowing our luck they will then play every game for their new club for the next 5 years. No definitely keep.


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jezzarules wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost


Could you pass that on to my Boss Jezz . Grounds for an early payout right there .

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