Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
I was a fan of Setterfield from his TAC days.
At that time, he had obvious AFL talent. You don't go Pick 5 without showing something.
He won the contested ball, had terrific vision in traffic, he was neat and tidy with his disposal and by all accounts had some leadership potential. On top of that he was a great size and decent athlete. He had the dreaded 'P' word potential, as an 18yr old.
Alas at 25, what he never developed was intensity and a fiercely competitive nature to dominate stoppages and games. He is too good for the VFL and yet his lack of physicality and intensity held him back at AFL level. Some players just don't have that in their makeup.
Keogh he is not a dud. Just like many, many before him, he has so far failed to get the very best out of himself. The penny just hasn't dropped yet and he is far from alone in that regard.
He has frustrated me no end in 2022. He could have secured his spot for the foreseeable future in out best 22 if only.......if only. He could play LOB on a break, if he just applied himself physically. LOB played most of the year and Setters got the bit parts.
His 3 years at Carlton were very disappointing, in that he didn't take those extra steps.
Regards Cazzesman
You could add, he has also had 3 different coaches at the club since he was here, so not only was there no continuity in coaching like said clubs, there were no defined roles or structures for his attributes, hardly an environment to excel and get the best out of yourself if you needed the support.
I'd argue to say it's an issue of both player and circumstance.
They have a fantastic environment to ply their trade and develop.
I dont think the club should provide them with a baby bottle as well.
These kids choose a professional life. Most don't make it after their draft.
Club hardly at fault imo. Easy target.
This isn't WW2.
18yo is hardly a man these days and most of these kids don't develop any maturity until well into their 20s and some I'd say a lot longer.
These kids "want" to be AFL players and a lot of them take longer to adjust to the pressures of the environment than your Walsh types.
And some just realise it's not actually what they want at all or just drag the chain until the penny drops or they are.
Sorry Bondi, but to think the club is hardly at fault for player development both physically and mentally when the club has actually come out and said how bad we've been at player development is kind of a silly comment TBH.
I understand where you are coming from, but I think there's 2 sides of the story.
Setterfield came to Carlton after 3 years with GWS as a hybrid midfielder.
I guess you are saying that 2020-2022 playing for Carlton is the reason he failed.
Wimps sook it up.
When the going gets tough the tough get going.
The game isnt for the faint hearted.
Maturity....if its missing at 18yo after plying their trade, developing attending lectures and groomed for AFL in the TAC...I don't feel that's Carlton's fault, other than simply picking the wrong player, who didnt have what it takes. We are talking about one player here: Setterfield. There's no proof Carlton failed him in 2020 and 2021. He was a conditional footballer imo.
Lets see how good this hybrid goes at Effendon. If he's like Brodie at Freo, like Lloyd suggests....Brodie was found out to be a downhill skier in Finals. Its in his nature.
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