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Braithy
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2023 1:15 pm 
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damning stat. we only have one more win than hawthorn
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bondiblue
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Braithy wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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the problem that i have with Voss is, he's been here before. He coached the lions into regression and couldn't snap out of it, and from this season to last - he's done the same.

when players look confused and observers cannot figure out how we're trying to play and what we're trying to do? that's a red flag in coaching more than the players, imo ...

a season where finals was promised; and collectively as a team & a club right across the board we've regressed; people at cfc will have to pay those consequences...

I'd like to hear more about our "half arsed review" (as per caro's statement) and all of those implications.

Like, why was Mcrae never even green listed as a someone cfc needs to interview?

Our review came up with two names, lyon and voss. One old school and defensive who's never been able to get his teams over the line. And another a champion player who's never made the transition from player to head coach and the only time he tried he failed really really badly... maybe he's a career line coach?

but, why aren't we attempting to find the next mcrae?


Mcrae is the man manger and leader, and the assistants are the ones who are the tacticians and line coaches. Mcrae has good assistants guiding him and his players. Voss is a man manager and leader.

Who knows, maybe the Vossy game plan has got the players buy in and because it is unique its something we should embrace if it can win Finals because its different. I'm only guessing, like the rest of us.

Game plan has been tweaked and needs to continue to be tweaked and practised against AFL teams, not intra club games during the preseason. Maybe the reset is happening as we speak. Maybe we will see the players pick up another 5% and focus and visualise goals before they kick them.

Whatever is the problem, looks to me the rest of this year will be about finding out what works and who is not worth keeping.



i've wondered for a bit now ... if voss's combative gameplan from last season - if there were people at the club telling him to tone that down bcos it's not sustainable over a 24 game season. and now voss is at a loss how to implement a sustainable one?


Yeah. Dunno if anyone told him that and left without any other options/clues, but I do agree that gameplan wasn't sustainable. I don't really subscribe to the theory that other sides "figured us out" but more that it wasn't sustainable. By mid season Kennedy was very banged up, Hewett started to have back issues, Cerra did his hammy. Not only was it not sustainable over 24 weeks, looking at our games early in the season, questionable that it was sustainable over 4 quarters. Hence the shift.


Good points rhino and Braithy. We did discuss early last year whether the game plan was sustainable, and the outcome seems to confirm those suspicions.

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Traveller86
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8 goals in 6 quarters.

That's coaching.
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kezza
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8 goals in 6 quarters.

That's coaching.

In a team that includes the last 2 Coleman medalists .
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Traveller86
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Walk for gods sake.
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Braithy
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it's impossible to watch. we've gone so far backwards, the first 10 games last season seem like a dream and not real.
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Can’t wait for the bullshit press conference again.

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DesEnglish
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I’ve seen enough, sack him
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jim
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I’ve seen enough, sack him


Yes, it's getting close to that point unfortunately. We should be pushing top 4 or 5 this year yet we'll be 14th by the end of the weekend after 5 successive losses. We have gone so far backwards it's ridiculous.
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DesEnglish
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jim wrote:
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I’ve seen enough, sack him


Yes, it's getting close to that point unfortunately. We should be pushing top 4 or 5 this year yet we'll be 14th by the end of the weekend after 5 successive losses. We have gone so far backwards it's ridiculous.


You cannot kick 6 goals a week and keep your job.
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DocSherrin III
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Sacking a coach achieves nothing. It won't happen.
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Scotty12000
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DesEnglish wrote:
jim wrote:
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I’ve seen enough, sack him


Yes, it's getting close to that point unfortunately. We should be pushing top 4 or 5 this year yet we'll be 14th by the end of the weekend after 5 successive losses. We have gone so far backwards it's ridiculous.


You cannot kick 6 goals a week and keep your job.

I’d re-sign anyone who kicks 6 goals a week for Carlton :lol:
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GreatEx
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Bolton, Teague, Voss. One thing in common - pissweak players, pissweak culture. But sure let's sack Voss and hit Hardwick or whoever. Maybe this time it'll work!
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DesEnglish
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Bolton, Teague, Voss. One thing in common - pissweak players, pissweak culture. But sure let's sack Voss and hit Hardwick or whoever. Maybe this time it'll work!


His job is to instil culture. He’s shown nothing
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DocSherrin III
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jim wrote:
We should be pushing top 4 or 5 this year...


Should we though? Wrong style of player for the wrong type of footy.
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jim
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DocSherrin III wrote:
Sacking a coach achieves nothing. It won't happen.


I can assure you, if this keeps up there is not a hope in hell he coaches next year. Much of our issue is the tail wagging the dog, our awful culture, players who simply aren't hungry, showing no care when they have the ball. Still though, the coach still won't survive this. It's been a monumental fall backwards. There's no way he has the locker room.
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jim
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DocSherrin III wrote:
jim wrote:
We should be pushing top 4 or 5 this year...


Should we though? Wrong style of player for the wrong type of footy.


We missed finals by 0.6% after choking up the last 2 games and playing most of the year with half a side. Of course the next step should be top 4 to 6.
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Braithy
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one of the worst things happening with us are simple things. we're not sticking tackles, we're not running, we're not marking a man or making a contest and we don't know where we should be or where the ball is going.

teams walking through us. surely that's an indictment on coaching?
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jim wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
jim wrote:
We should be pushing top 4 or 5 this year...


Should we though? Wrong style of player for the wrong type of footy.


We missed finals by 0.6% after choking up the last 2 games and playing most of the year with half a side. Of course the next step should be top 4 to 6.
Look at the form line rather than the dead cat new coach bounce at the start. We are 4 wins out of 16 games.

That is hard to defend.

Unlike our ball movement

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Traveller86
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I've been very reluctant and against the nuclear option but tonight he's broken me.

He's turned the one true equaliser the masses have (the escapism of footy) into a @#$%&! chore that's worse than a shit day at the office!

He's made footy, let alone Carlton, unwatchable.

Just go. Please.
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