Stkilda, Essenscum, Collingfilth and Sydney all have more injuries to key players than us and their system of play is better than what we are producing.
Injuries are not to blame for our poor performances.
Last week all we had missing in terms of durability and consistency in playing was Docherty and Owies

Don't give me Williams, McGovern, Martin, Marchbank or even Cunningham because between them they've probably been lucky to have played 20 games in the last 3 years

This.

System of play.

It is fair to say Carlton have NEVER had a good coach in this regard.

1995. Parko handed the reigns over to the players. Love Parko but let's be honest that was a different era.
The game has changed and become so game plan driven.

Voss created the forward handball last year, which worked a treat for 6-8 weeks or so then the competition figured us out.
And we have been average ever since.
Look I get that Carlton pre Voss leaked goals and he is trying to slow things down, so we control the ball more and thus reduce the opposition's ability to score, and it is admirable that we are better defensively this year (though not last week!).
But irrespective only an idiot would say we are playing really good footy right now.
Our ladder position flatters us.

I expect a response this weekend, but St.Kilda will also respond, and if we lose which I suspect we probably will (I have tipped us to win out of sheer hope trying to be positive) we will fall down the ladder and become very vulnerable.
The way we are playing we are no guarantee to make finals.
Our strength has been taken away from us. What has Voss got as a response? It is not just the players who need to respond.

I worry we only get by and play good footy based off above average contested footy around the contest esp at the middle of the ground, and the exceptional abilities of Curnow and McKay. There were several instances in the North game where Curnow marked and kicked to Harry who marked. When they play like that it is hard to stop.

But outside of these things, and of course the odd stand out effort by talented players, I think our game style otherwise is not outstanding and lacks an innovative element that tends to define the best sides.

Nonsense.
How can you say injuries are not an issue by not wanting to acknowledge "injury prone" injured key players.
The issue you have highlighted here is we are carrying too many injury prone players which in itself is saying injuries are an issue.

And either way, no one is solely saying injuries are the reason for our poor performances, but it sure doesn't help when you can't field a team with your best players like Adelaide did last week.

Two of those teams have new coaches and you seem to forget the "new coach" effect, even though only last season it was us.
And of the teams you mentioned only the Aints had a similar number of required outs as us and they played ugly like us and still lost to a team that only likes to just win games.

I guess the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

Injuries and game plan are separate things.

Nobody in their right mind would dispute we have a long injury list. Part of that is recruitment of injury prone players.

But putting injuries aside, I would argue Voss' game style isn't very unique and doesn't stand out to me as being revolutionary in the sense that many of the great teams have played a new style of footy that has caught the rest of the competition off guard.
Malthouse's Collingwood side that went on to win a premiership, while the press was previously in existence I'd argue Mick's team took it to the nth degree and they won a flag as a result. Ross Lyon should have won a flag with that style of play.
Richmond's game style was built off a chaotic brand where they just pushed the ball forwards at all costs, players tapping it on to advantage, even kicking off the ground, whatever the case they just ran forward in numbers and attacked and they had 2 great tall forwards (at least when Lynch came over they did).
This new Collingwood side is similar, they play attacking footy but it starts with defense, they bring high numbers to contests to ensure they win the contested ball, then they spread and run forward with a great attacking mind set.
Melbourne also played an incredibly attacking brand of footy. They moved the ball very quickly to their forwards. Their ability to win the contested ball through their exceptional on ball brigade and then their exceptional wings allowed them to play such a great brand of attacking footy.
Us on the other hand, we seem to be a quite slow moving football team. As I said earlier I get it Voss wants to stem the bleeding that defined the previous iteration of Carlton before he came across. Teague's Carlton didn't know how to defend.
I would argue our team are a little akin to the 2022 Geelong side. That Geelong side were not fleet of foot but applied pressure on the ball carrier all over the ground, forcing turnovers which then allowed the team to rebound and of course they had 2 great tall forwards. We seem to be closer to that model. Not an out and out quick team. But will we be able to master it and bring home 17?
Ultimately I think Voss is conservative as a coach and not a tactical innovator.

This is a very confusing post.
Firstly you say our game plan is not "revolutionary" then you applaud Collingwood who are doing the same thing as Richmond did but starting from the backline (which Richmond also did BTW).
Then you say we are like Geelong (The premiers) and can we emulate them like Collingwood are emulating Richmond.

With both of those clubs they have plenty of senior A grade players who have hundreds of games of experience, something we don't have.
Personally it seems as though you are trying to look for coaching issues so you can blame someone.

If you want to blame something, blame our poor disposal skills and believe it or not some of our best disposers of the football have been injured.

Agree...my issues with Carlton (apart from wishing we had a healthier list) are low-level things that are independent (predominantly) of a game plan
poor disposal skills...Peter Hudson kicks type handballs (without his accuracy to the feet or over the head (kicks the same)
poor decision making (lowering eyes, honoring better lead, tempo, handballing to someone about to get tackled, kicking to 2 v1 etc etc etc etc)
not enough spread to provide next option or lead
SHOCKING kick out strategy (if that is the gameplan, sack Hammill immediately)
small fwds not defending at the source more and running back to help TOO QUICKLY (opposition seem to just waltz it through their back half
abominable tackling effectiveness
mid-fwd transition (obviuously linked to gameplan)
smart deciisons (tapping the ball to someone before you get tackled, kicking off the ground in the wet, fwds just bringing ball to ground if they are being covered-maybe if the small fwds ween't already in the back pocket trying to defend, the could actually crumb the ball)

When was the last time you saw a bullet pass (2-3m off the ground at its maximum height about 25-35m distance) to someone inside 50?????

_________________
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Chris Scott had a bit to say in his presser about how "crippling" it is to lose a few players in one part of the ground.

He said it affected them early in the season and paid respect to how it affected Sydney last night.

We're in the same boat with Saad, Doc and Williams all out of our half back line. Be interesting to see how we as a club and Voss as a coach cope with the pressure and the scrutiny.

_________________
Orandum est ut sit mens sana in corpore sano. Fortem posce animum mortis terrore carentem, qui spatium vitae extremum inter munera ponat naturae, qui ferre queat quoscumque labores.

Well I've seen enough now.
You know a badly coached side when the players are remonstrating with themselves because they don't know where to kick.
Voss outcoached and has a terrible game plan.

Tick tick tick………. Tock.

Our two last three F50 entries were cut off by a well positioned defender cutting off the angle and blocking the leading lane.

We HAVE to be able to counter this.

_________________
Orandum est ut sit mens sana in corpore sano. Fortem posce animum mortis terrore carentem, qui spatium vitae extremum inter munera ponat naturae, qui ferre queat quoscumque labores.

Maybe, you know, stop being a pussy and take it on. Like, I know they are really good on the rebound but maybe let's give it a crack every now and then.

_________________
The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

Team not prepared well enough.

Hmmmm….!


kindest regards tommi

_________________
that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

First positive move Voss could make is remove players like O’Brien and Fisher from the team. They are so detrimental to our improvement going forward.

Conditional players who in my view have been gifted games.

Saints played a very short forward line ... our back line was top heavy ... this proved costly when the ball hit the ground

Lewis Young relieving in the ruck is evidence that so many talls were not needed in the backline

Weitering should have come up a line ... he is not a last line kamikaze style defendef but rather one who chops it off before it gets dangerous

Interesting Voss presser not on AFL website yet

Lyons' has been up a while

Voss maybe having an extended chat to the players

Wonder what he's saying

Maybe the players are asking him what the game plan is?

Maybe Voss should look in the mirror and ask why Harry can't kick a basic drop punt.
Maybe Voss should ask himself why we play a slow game plan when the good teams play a fast game plan.

Yeah. This is strange. I would love to be a fly on the wall.

_________________
Orandum est ut sit mens sana in corpore sano. Fortem posce animum mortis terrore carentem, qui spatium vitae extremum inter munera ponat naturae, qui ferre queat quoscumque labores.

Still no presser.

Saad and Doc are sadly missed but not Williams. He has offered little in the games he has played. A poor recruitment decision.

Carlton sit behind WCE for points for.

_________________
"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch