Yep. Good post.

Watching Pies reminds me of the dare we showed in the first 10 weeks last year, even with injuries. We changed the game plan because the media got into us for lacking a good defensive structure.

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i was talking more collectively as a unit around the ground with general disposal. Charlie's set shots have been good - until last week. i'd expect him to bounce back if gets any on friday.

harry is a bit cooked. he needs some kind of reset. someone at the club should have identified his flawed technique before it got to this tbh

i've wondered for a bit now ... if voss's combative gameplan from last season - if there were people at the club telling him to tone that down bcos it's not sustainable over a 24 game season. and now voss is at a loss how to implement a sustainable one?

Dunno

Im just guessing like the rest of us.

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macrae v voss as a coach ,do you think if we gave fly our bottom 6 players collingwood would be on top of ladder .

do you think they'd be 13th?

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What's Roosy doing nowadays?

Wouldn't hurt adding him into our football department set up somewhere.

Before anyone decides whether Voss needs help they need to decide if he is the man for the job . Don't put the cart before the horse .

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For sure

All teams that do well look like all their players are good

It's called system

Good system

I don't buy this BS that our bottom 6 are no good

Our players are fine. The list is good.

Voss is 139 games into his coach career, he’s got 42% win rate. The first 2 you list were first up coaches, Ratten went back to coach under Clarko again (and who wouldn’t).

I don’t know if what he’s trying to do is the right thing because I can’t see what he’s trying, all I see is results.

If his job is as a man manager, to get the best from the players in my view he’s failing dismally. If the game plan is his, it’s the worst I’ve seen in a while.

I agree at some point we have to stick to a coach but players careers are short and we’ve got some really good ones and we should t waste their talent.

At what point is he accountable?

i think so for sure. When mcrae started pies were spoon favourites with that list and a rookie coach and the rebuild was on. in what did anyone think Mihocek would be a better forward than mckay.


like someone illuded to above - the system papers over the cracks of individual talent.

wasnt mcrae signed as soon as teague was given the arse? i seem to recall the pies nabbed him before anyone else had a chance

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We're a young team so I wouldn't be too stressed about wasting talent for another year.
I'd like to see what we look like as a team at the end of the year and after another pre-season.
3 years is a good stint to see the game plan and how players have adapted and what new players come in for that game plan.

If you want to compare us to clubs like Collingwood, then you also have to look at the list profiles and experience.
Collingwood games average is - 72.8 games (7th) and age average is 25.0 years (5th oldest).
Carlton games average is - 62.1 games (13th) and age average is 24.6 years (8th oldest).

2 games we have been older Crows by a month but less games experience. Gws by 2 months 0.3 games more experience

Every other week we have fielded a younger less experienced side than our opponents.

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So Melbourne should've just got Chocco?
Or Collingwood should've just got Bolton or Leppa?
Or the Kangas should've just got Ratten?

At some point in time we have to stick to one coach for an extended period.
We have flipped coaches more than a 15yo has flipped burgers at Macca's and it hasn't worked.
Voss came with a lot of plaudits from coaches and players.
So why not Voss and why not get him some senior support like the clubs mentioned, what's the harm in trying?
I don't think he is the wrong coach.
What he is trying to do is the right thing, but he like the players have things they need to work on and that is where more experience helps.

Like the playing team it's all about adding experience and depth to the coaching team also.
So it's not about torching assistants rather than adding more experience.[/quote]

Voss is 139 games into his coach career, he’s got 42% win rate. The first 2 you list were first up coaches, Ratten went back to coach under Clarko again (and who wouldn’t).

I don’t know if what he’s trying to do is the right thing because I can’t see what he’s trying, all I see is results.

If his job is as a man manager, to get the best from the players in my view he’s failing dismally. If the game plan is his, it’s the worst I’ve seen in a while.

I agree at some point we have to stick to a coach but players careers are short and we’ve got some really good ones and we should t waste their talent.

At what point is he accountable?[/quote]
We're a young team so I wouldn't be too stressed about wasting talent for another year.
I'd like to see what we look like as a team at the end of the year and after another pre-season.
3 years is a good stint to see the game plan and how players have adapted and what new players come in for that game plan.

If you want to compare us to clubs like Collingwood, then you also have to look at the list profiles and experience.
Collingwood games average is - 72.8 games (7th) and age average is 25.0 years (5th oldest).
Carlton games average is - 62.1 games (13th) and age average is 24.6 years (8th oldest).[/quote]

I respect what you have to say and I understand where you’re coming from. I just don’t want to see another 18 months wasted.

I’d be reviewing his position at year’s end. If we don’t see improvement then I’d be looking at who else is available.

I think a review at years end should be done yearly anyway.
This should include players, the football department, coaches, support staff etc....
This is a good way to identify weak links, where more training is required, better spending of the soft cap etc...
It's all part of moving forward, we just need to stop with the coach killing at the first hiccup and try and provide better support and in another 18mths if we are just not getting anywhere the whole world will see we crossed every T and dotted every i and any decision made on Voss will be valid and just.
We will then look more professional rather than a bunch of spoilt brats.
If Voss isn't the man then he may just be the next stepping stone to getting there, but he won't be if we just have a sook and kick him out at the end of the year or worse at the bye.
He'll be a warning to other good coaches our culture is shite and we are still a basket case, stay away at all costs.
The perception of stability and professionalism is the most valuable aspect in getting good people and players to the club.
And in saying this, I doubt coaches like McRae and his assistants even had us on their radar, especially Bolton.
Make no mistake we are a red flag when it comes to expectations vs ability and an impatient one at that.

Edit: The other danger is if you change coaches as often as we do, the players have all the control and if they don't like the game plan or role asked of them then they can just lower their heads until the coach gets the boot, rinse and repeat. Letting the tail wag the dog so to speak and further increasing their leverage at the club, even at their own expense of team success.

This is the dilemma the club have.

Cripps, Doc, Newman, Saad, etc are all approaching 30 or have already hit 30. And Charlie I think is 27 next year.

Di we want to risk wasting another year ?

If the club think backing Voss and changing ACs is the right move then I am ok with that.

They know more than us.

But gee they'd want to do a thorough review at the end of the year.

Yeah. Dunno if anyone told him that and left without any other options/clues, but I do agree that gameplan wasn't sustainable. I don't really subscribe to the theory that other sides "figured us out" but more that it wasn't sustainable. By mid season Kennedy was very banged up, Hewett started to have back issues, Cerra did his hammy. Not only was it not sustainable over 24 weeks, looking at our games early in the season, questionable that it was sustainable over 4 quarters. Hence the shift.

Aside from the first half of last year we have been pretty consistent.



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