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| Author: | Humpers [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | 2021 Positives |
Not all doom and gloom this year, here are my positives: - Walsh and Weiters stars continue to rise - Harry winning the Coleman - Looks like we have found a player in Honey - Charlie getting back on the paddock - Stocker showing why we traded up to get him. Hope he can move into the midfield next year. - Kennedy demonstrating he belongs at AFL level - Jack Carroll showing promise in the VFL. Note that he doesn't turn 19 until 20th Dec. - Dow finally delivering in a few AFL matches. Hopefully he can improve further next year. I would be interested to hear others thoughts. |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
Great thread. I wanted to start a thread, Pros and Cons for Season 2021. There's plenty of positives in an injury interupted year on the scale of Brittain's in 2002. |
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| Author: | 99prelim [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
Finally, a full blown, public, necessary (and necessarily messy) Review into our on-field operations I'll call it a controlled implosion by Sayers. That's the best thing about 2021 for me, thinking long term!!! And...please have your opinions but don't get sucked in by SEN, Liam Pickering et al. calling out our treatment of Teague. It sells ads, nothing more. Carlton gave DT the opportunity of a lifetime...they owe him nothing...and IMHO, DT appears to be bowing out with the same stubbornness and naivety that will probably cost him his job |
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| Author: | Scotty12000 [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
JSOS showed a bit too, hoping he can stay fit for next season and get a solid 20+ games in |
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| Author: | 99prelim [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
Won't happen but a different mindset and have SPS and O'Brien dominating the wings and providing bullet like passes to our fwds Like I said; won't happen; I'm just being fanciful |
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| Author: | Paddycripps [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
Weitering and Walsh, but they're no.1 picks. Harry but he's a top 10 pick. Not much other player development. Stocker came on a bit. |
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| Author: | Heavs [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
I don't have to watch us for another 6 months, at which point I'll stupidly saddle up again, having convinced myself that this time will be different. |
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| Author: | aboynamedsue [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
Humpers wrote: Not all doom and gloom this year, here are my positives: - Walsh and Weiters stars continue to rise - Harry winning the Coleman - Looks like we have found a player in Honey - Charlie getting back on the paddock - Stocker showing why we traded up to get him. Hope he can move into the midfield next year. - Kennedy demonstrating he belongs at AFL level - Jack Carroll showing promise in the VFL. Note that he doesn't turn 19 until 20th Dec. - Dow finally delivering in a few AFL matches. Hopefully he can improve further next year. I would be interested to hear others thoughts. I agree with all these points. I would also add: - Saad did well in his first year with us (will be in the top 10 in B&F) - Durden & Owies showed encouraging signs - Kemp got a taste of senior footy - SOJ had arguably his best season - TDK got a taste of what’s required to be our #1 ruckman. |
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| Author: | GreatEx [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
Agreed with Humpers and Sue. I'd even add that the man with the TC sponsorship curse has shown that he has value to a team with a functioning midfield and game plan. I had dismissed him as an outright dud, and obviously he needs to harden up, but there is a potentially very useful winger in there. |
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| Author: | Mickstar [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
aboynamedsue wrote: Humpers wrote: Not all doom and gloom this year, here are my positives: - Walsh and Weiters stars continue to rise - Harry winning the Coleman - Looks like we have found a player in Honey - Charlie getting back on the paddock - Stocker showing why we traded up to get him. Hope he can move into the midfield next year. - Kennedy demonstrating he belongs at AFL level - Jack Carroll showing promise in the VFL. Note that he doesn't turn 19 until 20th Dec. - Dow finally delivering in a few AFL matches. Hopefully he can improve further next year. I would be interested to hear others thoughts. I agree with all these points. I would also add: - Saad did well in his first year with us (will be in the top 10 in B&F) - Durden & Owies showed encouraging signs - Kemp got a taste of senior footy - SOJ had arguably his best season - TDK got a taste of what’s required to be our #1 ruckman. Yeah , reckon thats it . Definitely giving young blokes a go gives you a boost . And they all show something . A little glimmer here and there . .............I"m actually sad to see the season finish . Hate the off season . Cant wait to see the footy start next year . OK , footy was not so good , but shit footy is better than no footy . .............super excited for next year . Never , ever lose enthusiasm for our great Club . |
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| Author: | SurreyBlue [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
This list isn’t far away. Believe in the picks and add some good structure, mental strength and culture change and we are away. The game last re-affirmed my belief all along. Big couple of months coming up. |
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| Author: | keogh [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
This year was meant to be the year. Wasn’t it. Positives Walsh Weitering McKay Jones all outstanding SOJ Kennedy ( second half) DeKoning Stocker Honey Owies Ed Curnow Newman Betts The fact that we won 8 games finished 13 th with 3 potential AA and the best one on one player in the league is a sad reflection of where this club is at on so many fronts on and off the field It breaks my heart to see where the club is at So many players either pick with early picks or on long term big money or trading away big multiple picks simply not delivering Selfish lazy footballers I include Saad in that list A one dimensional player who can’t be trusted to play on a dangerous small forward who can only use one side of his body is an example of what this club is about Short term fix give away a decent pick take up salary cap space for 5 years. The obsession of Murphy getting to 300. Achieves it then he says see you later. How can you have a positive culture in a team environment with selfish behaviour like that Cripps has gone backwards He needs to be relieved of the captaincy and be given a different role up forward mid field rotation 13 players mentioned above Too much left to too little |
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| Author: | frank dardew [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
Walsh Weitering H Reemergence of Kennedy as midfielder Charlie a few games under his belt More games into Stocker OBrien Dow Owies Fisher Cottrell Honey Durdin and Kemp getting a chance Saad pretty good TDK a series of games as first ruck Continuing consistent form of Ed Curnow The review overdue in my view Hopefully learn from injury and injury management for next year |
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| Author: | carntheblues [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
Three AA in the side. We should be better! |
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| Author: | keogh [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
SurreyBlue wrote: This list isn’t far away. Believe in the picks and add some good structure, mental strength and untrue change and we are away. The game last re-affirmed my belief all along. Big couple of months coming up. You are dreaming The club must go back to the draft and reset Draft well and we can be back up there in two years. Our list needs a major overall I doubt you will get much trade value for the ones with their contract up These guys on long term contracts Saad 4 years Martin 3 years Williams 5 years Mc Govern 2 years That is the time left on their contracts The last 3 must get fitter and be made accountable That means becoming more flexible Saad and Williams at this stage of their careers can only play HBF . Neither defends the most dangerous forward. We have paid a huge price for these 2 blokes The blow torch needs to be put on these two to improve Martin and McGovern are not fit enough, lazy footballers who have been given great deals and have been pathetic in their efforts in their combined 5 years. The fact that they have not been made accountable enough would clearly have a negative effect on the playing group This has to change because these guys are with us for a while |
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| Author: | frank dardew [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
Sorry should have mentioned Jones and JSOS 2 very important component frustrating when you lost these players you win 8 games out of 22 |
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| Author: | SurreyBlue [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
keogh wrote: SurreyBlue wrote: This list isn’t far away. Believe in the picks and add some good structure, mental strength and untrue change and we are away. The game last re-affirmed my belief all along. Big couple of months coming up. You are dreaming The club must go back to the draft and reset Draft well and we can be back up there in two years. Our list needs a major overall I doubt you will get much trade value for the ones with their contract up These guys on long term contracts Saad 4 years Martin 3 years Williams 5 years Mc Govern 2 years That is the time left on their contracts The last 3 must get fitter and be made accountable That means becoming more flexible Saad and Williams at this stage of their careers can only play HBF . Neither defends the most dangerous forward. We have paid a huge price for these 2 blokes The blow torch needs to be put on these two to improve Martin and McGovern are not fit enough, lazy footballers who have been given great deals and have been pathetic in their efforts in their combined 5 years. The fact that they have not been made accountable enough would clearly have a negative effect on the playing group This has to change because these guys are with us for a while I hope our new coach doesn’t play any of these 4, until they show desire for the contest, get fit and leadership by doing the 1%. Very confident Martin and Williams will be fine. Serious concerns on the other 2. Ps. McGovern was embarrassing last night - again. |
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
We beat Effedrugdom* Revenge against Pies was sweet. Core Group: Walsh Weitering McKay AA outstanding SOS one of our best every game he played. Heart and soul. Jones and Saad great support in defense. Ed Curnow, week in week out warrior. Potential: Newman's last 5 games Kennedy's 2nd half of the season as a mid. Dow showed some improvement. Saw glimpses of Williams' best. Return of Charlie, unscathed. The kids: Stocker, breakthrough year TDK, great to have him playing games and getting stronger Owies is worth persevering with. Kemp, this kid can play Honey, showed great signs and speed as a weapon Durdin his forward pressure is the real deal Recruiting project 210cm mobile ruckman Mirkov List Profile: Retirement of 35yo Betts, 234yo Murphy, 31yo Casboult |
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| Author: | 7dominator [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
A little bit of history to brighten the day.1964 Melbourne won their last Premiership.The same year saw Carlton in their Centenary year finish in their lowest ever spot. A new President that year( George the dentist) and the biggest coup in VFlL history in the off season.RDB to the Blues and the start of a dynasty. As for the Demons they sacked their championship coach a couple of years later and the rest is history. Perhaps history repeats? |
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| Author: | david31 [ Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 2021 Positives |
A number of positives from individual players that others have highlighted above - H, Walsh, Weitering etc However, unfortunately no real positives from a team perspective as 8-14 isn’t good enough and no signature wins (e.g. knock off a top 4 team) There’s a bit to build with on our list but need to be talking about team, not individual, success this time next year |
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