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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:40 pm 
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Geoff Southby

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Good post
Definitely society has changed
Football clubs have changed
Society generally has become more selfish egotistical and very much it’s more about ones self

That to me is a big part of Marc Murphy from outside view
To me it’s friggin embarrassing that he sits on the bench as the medical sub to get to 300.
And clearly sooks it up as he did when the club were pontificating on whether to sub out DeKoning a few weeks ago
Once he gets to 300 he officially retires . In other words it’s about me not the club.

It’s wrong.
I believe it does stem from the board being elitist to a large extent.
This review should be made public
We would be stronger club if they put the club first than themselves instead of changing rules so it’s harder for them to be overthrown
That mind thinking is bound to seep down into other areas.
Maybe Murphy is just wired like that





Look at my name sake
Was a fantastic player but also the ultimate team player
Was told to play full forward one day by Big Nick to throw the opposition off when he was gunning it as a on baller. No complaints. Just did the job for the team.
Didn’t complain like Murphy did apparently when Bolton had him on a wing trying to fast track Dow and co a few years back
Despite winning two B + Fs like Murphy realised his senior days were done at 31 but stayed on to play reserves for 2 years and help out the youngsters
That’s real leadership and it’s rubs off
We simply have too many blokes that are selfish footballers
The oldest one is one of them
So what hope have you got
Murphy has been a very good player but I’m glad he won’t be part it come Saturday night


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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:08 am 
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I think a lot of this, certainly the playing group stuff, comes back to belief.
Do the players believe in the team and list in any given year, is actually any good?
This group might think this a bit at the start of the year, and then a couple months in .... it all gets too hard and belief goes out the window.
It's probably why Teague keeps preaching he believes in the list. He is saying this for the players.
Once the belief is gone, so does any real commitment and belief they can make finals etc.
They get a kick up the arse when they put in a shocker, but that effort doesn't last long.
I remember Judd saying when he came to the club something about how not many of the players took things seriously and were committed. Well the list was rubbish so it's probably no surprise.

I can imagine Cripps has a similar problem now, in that he knows not all the players are truly on board and truly BELIEVE.
Cripps seems a genuinely energised fella, I believe he cares, but I think for whatever reason (be it injuries, the coach?) his resolve has maybe been tested this year.

IN my view the list is pretty good. We lack a good young small forward, and probably need another good tall defender, and a probably some ruck depth, but outside of that the midfield still isn't good enough and that is the core problem. Over the last month or so Kennedy has been good in a serviceable way but will he ever be great? I am not sure he will.
Dow has also been good through this period but was woeful last week and I dare say this weekend's game is massive for him - if he doesn't respond I think eyebrows will be raised about his mental fortitude.
Granted he has been injured for a period once again but Setterfield hasn't come on as many of us expected he would. To my eye he seems to lack intent and aggression, which is a trait I am sad to say seems to be consistent in a lot of SOS' recruitment choices.
LOB is not a tough footballer. Plowman is not a tough footballer. SPS is not a tough footballer. Fisher is not a tough footballer. (was he a SOS pick?). Williamson is not a tough footballer. Gibbons is not a tough footballer.
The list goes on and I don't think recent big money recruits are that tough either - Saad, McGovern, Martin.
I am not saying they all need to be hard nosed but you get my drift.

At the end of the day we need at least 3 topline mids and right now we have Walsh and an under-performing and probably injured Cripps.
The club have backed the captain so I can only assume he is still carrying an injury and when he gets over this injury we will see a far better Cripps.
It's why I think Cerra is an essential piece in the puzzle. He is young but he has class written all over him. He would make a nice one two tandem with Walsh.
And then you still need a good B-Team. Will the likes of Dow, Setterfield, Kennedy, Carroll, even Kemp be that team in the near future? There's not many guarantees there.

But I digress.

The challenge, aside from getting a coach who has some semblance of interest in defence is for the players to believe and then buy-in.
And I think an improved midfield will be central to this.
Cripps needs help.
We get him Walsh.
But he/we need more in there.
Kennedy and Dow were more than decent for a few weeks then last weekend happened.


A stronger TDK.
A fit Cripps.
And Cerra.
And suddenly the midfield looks a bit better.

Call me crazy but would we look at Mitchell from Hawthorn?
I know his ball use is iffy but he can damn well find it.
If we have to cough up 6 + SPS for Cerra and a 2nd back, then what will it take to get Mitchell?

TDK
Cripps
Walsh
Mitchell
Cerra

That's a starting midfield.


Good post Paddy

No, they aren't tough.

Martin is, but imo injury prone.
Gov does push his weight around, and has a bit of mongrel, but injury prone.

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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:14 am 
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keogh wrote:
Good post
Definitely society has changed
Football clubs have changed
Society generally has become more selfish egotistical and very much it’s more about ones self

That to me is a big part of Marc Murphy from outside view
To me it’s friggin embarrassing that he sits on the bench as the medical sub to get to 300.
And clearly sooks it up as he did when the club were pontificating on whether to sub out DeKoning a few weeks ago
Once he gets to 300 he officially retires . In other words it’s about me not the club.

It’s wrong.
I believe it does stem from the board being elitist to a large extent.
This review should be made public
We would be stronger club if they put the club first than themselves instead of changing rules so it’s harder for them to be overthrown
That mind thinking is bound to seep down into other areas.
Maybe Murphy is just wired like that





Look at my name sake
Was a fantastic player but also the ultimate team player
Was told to play full forward one day by Big Nick to throw the opposition off when he was gunning it as a on baller. No complaints. Just did the job for the team.
Didn’t complain like Murphy did apparently when Bolton had him on a wing trying to fast track Dow and co a few years back
Despite winning two B + Fs like Murphy realised his senior days were done at 31 but stayed on to play reserves for 2 years and help out the youngsters
That’s real leadership and it’s rubs off
We simply have too many blokes that are selfish footballers
The oldest one is one of them
So what hope have you got
Murphy has been a very good player but I’m glad he won’t be part it come Saturday night


Little braveheart Keogh, my fave player for a period back in the day, in the '79 he took it upon himself to belt Ohlsen??? one of their prolific ball movers and did so. No questions asked.

Toughness was a prerequisite to play for Carlton back then, as it is for the top tteams. HTFU Carlton.

I don't want the Review made public.
It could see the club implode airing our dirty laundry. Its not the right thing to do.

The 3 Panelists have signed Confidentiality Agreements, but can say something public if what Carlton say is contrary to their findings.

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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:29 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
Good post
Definitely society has changed
Football clubs have changed
Society generally has become more selfish egotistical and very much it’s more about ones self

That to me is a big part of Marc Murphy from outside view
To me it’s friggin embarrassing that he sits on the bench as the medical sub to get to 300.
And clearly sooks it up as he did when the club were pontificating on whether to sub out DeKoning a few weeks ago
Once he gets to 300 he officially retires . In other words it’s about me not the club.

It’s wrong.
I believe it does stem from the board being elitist to a large extent.
This review should be made public
We would be stronger club if they put the club first than themselves instead of changing rules so it’s harder for them to be overthrown
That mind thinking is bound to seep down into other areas.
Maybe Murphy is just wired like that





Look at my name sake
Was a fantastic player but also the ultimate team player
Was told to play full forward one day by Big Nick to throw the opposition off when he was gunning it as a on baller. No complaints. Just did the job for the team.
Didn’t complain like Murphy did apparently when Bolton had him on a wing trying to fast track Dow and co a few years back
Despite winning two B + Fs like Murphy realised his senior days were done at 31 but stayed on to play reserves for 2 years and help out the youngsters
That’s real leadership and it’s rubs off
We simply have too many blokes that are selfish footballers
The oldest one is one of them
So what hope have you got
Murphy has been a very good player but I’m glad he won’t be part it come Saturday night


Little braveheart Keogh, my fave player for a period back in the day, in the '79 he took it upon himself to belt Ohlsen??? one of their prolific ball movers and did so. No questions asked.

Toughness was a prerequisite to play for Carlton back then, as it is for the top tteams. HTFU Carlton.

I don't want the Review made public.
It could see the club implode airing our dirty laundry. Its not the right thing to do.

Yeah , thats it Bondi . Fancy airing your dirty linen in public . ..............Ohlsen used to be a Carlton player to go with it . He was burning in the "79 GF until of all people the little No 8 fixed him up . Turning point in the game for mine . It was a wet drizzly day and Olsen was a renowned mudlark . ...............what a fantastic player Trev was . I still think he is going today with that place of his out at Moorelbark . What a champion bloke he is , so down to earth and humble .

The 3 Panelists have signed Confidentiality Agreements, but can say something public if what Carlton say is contrary to their findings.

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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:01 am 
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keogh wrote:
Good post
Definitely society has changed
Football clubs have changed
Society generally has become more selfish egotistical and very much it’s more about ones self

That to me is a big part of Marc Murphy from outside view


True on all points.

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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:44 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
It's why I think Cerra is an essential piece in the puzzle. He is young but he has class written all over him. He would make a nice one two tandem with Walsh.
Nice post Paddy, most of which I agree wholeheartedly with. But this bit I've quoted, agreed Cerra looks like a classy, perhaps neat/nice footballer, BUT an essential piece? I think he would just add to our group of "nice" footballers. I don't think he's the answer to that tough/hard-nut style player you mentioned that we are sadly lacking.


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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:28 am 
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Hey Frankie.

I'm expecting a Betts celebration is on the cards for his 350 this week....any minute now.....and retirement will make huge news and definitely take attention off the Review.

I get what you mean.

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 Post subject: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:42 am 
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Spot on Frank, was thinking the exact same thing. It's one diversion after another.

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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:43 am 
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snakehips wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
It's why I think Cerra is an essential piece in the puzzle. He is young but he has class written all over him. He would make a nice one two tandem with Walsh.
Nice post Paddy, most of which I agree wholeheartedly with. But this bit I've quoted, agreed Cerra looks like a classy, perhaps neat/nice footballer, BUT an essential piece? I think he would just add to our group of "nice" footballers. I don't think he's the answer to that tough/hard-nut style player you mentioned that we are sadly lacking.


We need quality midfielders as a priority.
Cerra fits the bill.
Remember, getting them isn't easy.

Don't disagree we need hardness too.


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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:01 pm 
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Once again let’s keep them honest and call out the diversions BUT if there is any person that deserves to be lauded for a great career it is Eddie Betts love Eddie always have
A great footballer and a great leader for his people and others
Couldn’t read or write when he came to Carlton and this makes his achievements all the more remarkable in terms of leadership and contribution
The dread when he left for Adelaide was palpable a disgraceful decision
Fortunately he came back and want the club to make sure he is not lost to footy
Let’s celebrate a great career I hope he kicks a bag on the weekend


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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:15 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Once again let’s keep them honest and call out the diversions BUT if there is any person that deserves to be lauded for a great career it is Eddie Betts love Eddie always have
A great footballer and a great leader for his people and others
Couldn’t read or write when he came to Carlton and this makes his achievements all the more remarkable in terms of leadership and contribution
The dread when he left for Adelaide was palpable a disgraceful decision
Fortunately he came back and want the club to make sure he is not lost to footy
Let’s celebrate a great career I hope he kicks a bag on the weekend


Yeah , and kicks a bag in a winning team . Surely , the boys have got to lift for this one . Must be something left in the tank .

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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:18 pm 
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You are very optimistic Mick.

This really is a terrible club.

Players should be circling a “1” on all of the end of year player development and administration forms.

That’s if they have any idea on how a successful organisation should run!


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 Post subject: Re: The smokescreen
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:31 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
You are very optimistic Mick.

This really is a terrible club.

Players should be circling a “1” on all of the end of year player development and administration forms.

That’s if they have any idea on how a successful organisation should run!


Optimist...............Me ? yeah , all meandering around hoping for the best . Run by a pack of wishful thinkers .

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