SPS ain’t quick
Is lazy
Can’t kick over a jam tin
His body shape hasn’t changed since he was 18
He was injured when he arrived at the club
As soon as he was fit he was straight into the seniors
Finally got dropped this year
I think he is gone anyway
Wa BOG in the reserves last week but couldn’t get a game

You are making one very big assumption and that is that the players that we could have drafted would be playing at the level that they are now if they were drafted by Carlton.
This is where you entire argument falls down.
We don't develop it is that simple and unless the player is a one in a generation freak like Walsh then the player will struggle.

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Keogh I look forward to going back through your history to find all of your predictions about those players at the time they were drafted. I’ll find some wonderful insights, no doubt.

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Well I disagree
Matt Rendell said it best
When he looked at the kid didn’t matter if they were fat skinny short tall slow or fast he didn’t care. He looked effort effort and effort
After that box was ticked he looked at the other stuff
Face it mate Silvangi stuffed up the rebuild
I admit give a guy an armchair ride doesn’t help
But effort comes mainly from within
Where 13 th for a reason

I been banging on about Silvangi
His drafting
Do you want me to keep going
O’Shea
Mullet
Shaw
Gorringe
Kerridge
Smedts
@#$%&! me dead
How much more proof do you want dude
You bang on about development
True to a small extent
But it’s List Management
You must be a moderator

You see there are some posters that simply don’t want to admit the board [REDACTED] up by appointing a stubborn blinkered legend
Austin has continued the legacy for whatever reason
They would keep coming up with the same stuff if were turd for another 20 years

The fact is Silvangi missed on all those blokes
That is what he did
What’s more important
I want to know what the club is going to do about it
You need to try other blokes in there
JSOS
Owies
Stocker
From what I have seen can play mid
The club has to try things
Case in point
Last year the Crows midfield was decimated
They put Laird in there and he has been an absolute gun
Thomas from North is a different player in the midfield
Yes I agree the culture of the club has something to do with it
Just because you were a top 10 pick doesn’t mean your automatically strawberry jam
You might be shit
I want the club to try players in the midfield that haven’t been given a go in there regardless of age where they were picked in whatever draft
We will go nowhere if we rely on 3 or 4

Playing defense.

Anyway this is what I would try besides giving the 3 blokes mentioned midfield time
One of Williams Saad or Docherty must play mid next year
All 3 can’t play in defence
All too similar play unaccountable floating HBF footy
I would give Saad a go in there
He came to the club wanting midfield time
The club have to be harder on Martin
He simply is dropped if he can’t handle the heat when it’s his turn
Hopefully two of Ramsay Kemp Carroll Philp become part of the mids
And Cripps needs a change of scenery
Rotating with SJOS as mid forward

I doubt we can afford Cerra
Setterfield has one year left on his contract
Too slow doesn’t get his own ball but I reckon he would be a good tagger
It’s his last chance otherwise he is a gonner next year

Nahhh.. cut players who are not up to it make room in salary ca and get two quality senior players than can play at least four-five years

Exactly

Pick those who want to win and will do whatever they can to get a W when playing in the Carlton jumper. Non negotiable.

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Fisher wasn't a late pick, but he along with the others haven't shown anything for me to believe they will be with us for very long let alone our next Flag.

Not one IMO

I much prefer to Trade picks for players if the pick is after Pick 3.

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They all want to win and do whatever it takes to win just dont have AFL quality to do it.

Now you see this is where you let yourself down. Seriously, application, endevour and hunger for the contest does not need talent.

I agree to a degree.

You make a strong point here.

I think nice boys that aren't tough shouldn't be selected.

Walsh is a nice boy, but he a tough mother

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Agree again keogh

Don't understand the scenery bit about Cripps.
I just want him to get his body right then get back to basics and feed his mids.

What if we could afford Cerra after we drop some of the parasites?

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Nah I agree with london, plus I think he's soft and lacks pace, or he...see london

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Ever heard the term
You become the product of your environment.

That's the issue at Carlton not who SOS brought in or out. If it was all SOS why have we been shite for 22 years SOS was only list manager for 5 . Explain the other 17.

You are grinding an axe Keogh and not looking at it properly. You see this in work places all the time it only requires 1 or 2 toxic people and they can be anyone and it can create a bad working culture.

If it was as simple as SOS brought in the wrong players and the board hired SOS therefore the board must go they would not be conducting the review.

We know now it is not the coach to many have failed
We can assume it is not the players as well.



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I’m not grinding the axe
I agree
And you get what you deserve
The facts are that Steven Silvangi recruited midfielders that arnt hard enough
There all flashy players
That and all the rejects particularly from GWS
Other than Gibbons never really looked at the lower leagues

His record at Carlton showed he wasn’t bad at spotting young key position talent
But not mids
I agree with you the culture of the place is terrible and let’s hope that this review highlights it
Favouring players over others
Case in point
If you think Marc Murphy deserved another season in the AFL your an idiot( which wasn’t SOSs fault)
The MC other than one game have kept playing him thus depriving Ramsay a game who happens to be a mid
Honey finally gets game time. Looks a player. SOS May have got one right and he was a rookie elevation.
He should have played earlier this year
There is something clearly wrong at the joint in an overall context
And finally more supporters are finally realizing this and not just looking at it with rose colored glasses

But the reason onfield we can’t progress is a lack of midfield depth
And that is largely due to SOSs picks and his misses
You cannot be consistent with 3 consistent mids

SOS had the easiest job of any List Manager at GWS with all the compensation picks
Got a few right
Got many wrong
His resume wouldn’t have looked great
But it didn’t matter when he became Carlton’s List Manager in 2015
Because he is SOS

I’ve read a lot about structure and tactics as a main reason to why we have not performed to expectations
True to some extent
For me it’s mainly personal
I could be wrong
That’s why I would like to see whoever coaches us next year trying different players in there
Playing kids if senior players are not performing and stop gifting games

If you look at the top 4 teams they all have deficiencies
Port and Dogs have suspect defence
Melbourne’s forward line is suss
Geelong haven’t had a decent ruckman in years
Yet they all bat 8 deep in the midfield
That’s what keeps them competitive most weeks
I could name all 32 players but can’t be bothered
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