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Who should coach us next year?
Brad Scott 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Michael Voss 20%  20%  [ 19 ]
Mark Williams 11%  11%  [ 11 ]
Don Pyke 22%  22%  [ 21 ]
Danny Daly 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Scott Burns 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Giansiracusa 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Jaymie Graham 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Adam Kingsley 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Adam Yze 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Nigel Lappin 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Jarrad Schofield 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Steven King 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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robertbb
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:30 pm 
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What concerns me in this is what was it that Collingwood saw (or didn't see) in Voss that it did not select him over McRae ?

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robertbb wrote:
What concerns me in this is what was it that Collingwood saw (or didn't see) in Voss that it did not select him over McRae ?


They were probably valued a different criteria to us.

Some people value tactics, some value relationship building, some value toughness, some value all of the above.

Also certain people make more of an impression than others.

Human Nature !! Wrong or Right Fit. It’s a Vibe thing sometimes.

Hard to know if things work out with anyone.
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Nick
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:41 pm 
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Good question and I have the same concerns.

However could just be a fit for the list and club to be honest.

They have a reasonably long rebuild ahead so probably need a rookie coach to 'grow' with the team. Seems almost a Bolton type appointment Also McRae has been at Collingwood before so that probably helps with familiarity / stability with a Board challenge looming.
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jim
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 8:45 pm 
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Maybe Luke Power should coach us after winning Assistant Coach of the Year tonight.....lol.
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bondiblue
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:12 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
camel wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
The arguments against Lyon are all weak. Hearsay and gossip.


3 grand finals.
0 wins.

Good H&A results.
Failed finals results.

I don't think that's a weak argument against Lyon.

People talk up Teague as the 2nd best at Carlton this century (lol). Anyway, since when did 2nd best become such a drawcard?!

None of this says anything in support of Voss, I understand that, but this constant talk of Lyon being a successful coach doesn't add up… unless you value losing grand finals and being 2nd best.


In all fairness, I watched 2 of his gf losses over the weekend and he came within a bees dick of winning them. Cruel game.


Too right.
Can't write him off for that.

Lyon is a success Flag or not....I just don't like him anymore ... unless Diesel wants him. I can live with that. He knows more than I do.

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robertbb wrote:
What concerns me in this is what was it that Collingwood saw (or didn't see) in Voss that it did not select him over McRae ?


McRae is off the table.

Move on.

Simple answer. They had a choice and took one.
Whose got the crystal ball to say they were on the money or not!

That's the answer. No right or wrong....especially from anyone outside that room.
They had their reasons, and they might not be ours.

McRae is gone. Next.

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Not a bad question but whats to say that voss wanted the Collingwood role?
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bondiblue
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Drewgirl wrote:
robertbb wrote:
What concerns me in this is what was it that Collingwood saw (or didn't see) in Voss that it did not select him over McRae ?


They were probably valued a different criteria to us.

Some people value tactics, some value relationship building, some value toughness, some value all of the above.

Also certain people make more of an impression than others.

Human Nature !! Wrong or Right Fit. It’s a Vibe thing sometimes.

Hard to know if things work out with anyone.


:thumbsup: Deep babeee

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bondiblue
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:16 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Ok so if its true that we havent yet appointed a coach and are hiring assistants. This makes me uneasy.

I think the coach should choose his own assistants, and together they need to trust eachother and get along for them as a group to be successful.

Am I reading this wrong?

This is reminicent of when we appointed Teague, he inherited the assistants he had.


He chose to go with them.

No set rules for everyone Drewgirl.

you said it in a later post...just above.

No need to feel uneasy

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bondiblue
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:23 pm 
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JK wrote:
I wonder if we have a final crack at C Scott. He should relish the new challenge and might have hit his ceiling at Geelong


I feel it was just proven this year, to be sure, Cats have hit their ceiling....imo

They looked weak against a younger, more enthusiastic team with quicker legs and mind.

Stewart wouldn't have saved them. They had a full squad otherwise.

If Cook thinks C.Scott is the best available, then great.

We will find out. I doubt it. Like Leppa said today, some coaches have luck on their side, and Scott did in his first year, as well as his next 10 being married to the Cats at their peak.

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bondiblue wrote:
robertbb wrote:
What concerns me in this is what was it that Collingwood saw (or didn't see) in Voss that it did not select him over McRae ?


McRae is off the table.

Move on.

Simple answer. They had a choice and took one.
Whose got the crystal ball to say they were on the money or not!

That's the answer. No right or wrong....especially from anyone outside that room.
They had their reasons, and they might not be ours.

McRae is gone. Next.


Love your schtick bondi, but I think you misread my point :donk:

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robertbb wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
robertbb wrote:
What concerns me in this is what was it that Collingwood saw (or didn't see) in Voss that it did not select him over McRae ?


McRae is off the table.

Move on.

Simple answer. They had a choice and took one.
Whose got the crystal ball to say they were on the money or not!

That's the answer. No right or wrong....especially from anyone outside that room.
They had their reasons, and they might not be ours.

McRae is gone. Next.


Love your schtick bondi, but I think you misread my point :donk:


Yeah sorry rob.

I was being inconsiderate to the point you were making, then went off on my own tangent.

Answer is, I wonder too.

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bondiblue
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:29 pm 
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Matthews coached McRae and Voss.

His take on the 2 options.

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Matthews, who used to coach Voss as a player at Brisbane, said it was “no surprise” to see him the hot favourite to succeed David Teague in the role.

“He’s had the apprenticeship,” he said of Voss on Sportsday.

“We talk about (new Collingwood coach), Craig McRae who’s had the 15-year apprenticeship post-playing and Michael Voss has had about 12 years. I’m a great believer that whatever you do, you’re going to be better because of experience.

“I think Michael (Voss) will be a much better senior coach, it’s not a surprise that he’s popped up as the best of the available options.

“Michael coached and got the Lions into the finals one year and then didn’t have that ultimate success, there isn’t a problem of him wanting to chuck himself back into the lifestyle (of being a senior coach).

“The experience of having actually coached…it should be more valuable than someone who hasn’t done it.”


https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/21/leigh-matthews-endorses-carltons-likely-next-coaching-appointment/

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:55 pm 
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robertbb wrote:
What concerns me in this is what was it that Collingwood saw (or didn't see) in Voss that it did not select him over McRae ?

I am not bothered in the slightest about what Collingwood did or didn't see in Voss.
Collingwood is a basket case.
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Bluey44
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Barass’s comments on BF tonight all but confirm Voss will be coach …


Can someone paraphrase what he said?
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Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/21/leigh-matthews-endorses-carltons-likely-next-coaching-appointment/

The GOAT's thoughts.

Regards Cazzesman


The 7th member of our coaching selection panel

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Bluey44 wrote:
Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Barass’s comments on BF tonight all but confirm Voss will be coach …


Can someone paraphrase what he said?

From what brother saw on bigfooty , apparently Barass said was

If Clarko and Lyon say no , it’s Voss and a lot to play out

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Navy One wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/21/leigh-matthews-endorses-carltons-likely-next-coaching-appointment/

The GOAT's thoughts.

Regards Cazzesman


The 7th member of our coaching selection panel

Talk about media driven drivel to
Force Carlton to take Voss

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azzablue wrote:
Navy One wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/09/21/leigh-matthews-endorses-carltons-likely-next-coaching-appointment/

The GOAT's thoughts.

Regards Cazzesman


The 7th member of our coaching selection panel

Talk about media driven drivel to
Force Carlton to take Voss


I doubt that there is any media pressure to impact the decision-making process. What chance any of the "journalists" would influence Williams or Parko?
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Did I just miss an earth shattering announcement???


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