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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:50 pm 
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Almost 6 years into a rebuild and we’ve got Murphy, Betts, Ed and Levi all as mainstays in the team
Says a bit about our development of youth and injury list
Not good enough
Time to see Stocker - he’s in form in the 2s and at least he’ll crack in and give a stuff


So true
The SOS soft list
players lacking tikker

Stocker time.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:52 pm 
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Back to the gym and development.

We should continue to aspire for finals this year, because the alternative isn't pretty.
Its ok to lose to top 6 sides.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:55 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Yeah I’m not blowing the club up based on a 5 goal loss to an almost certain top 4 side and possible grand finalist.

We were disappointing, and it shows a few things:

1. Not a good enough depth of talent to compete with the best. SOS recruiting shown up to be more miss than hit. We need to continue to draft and trade well to get better.

2. Even with a few injuries, we can’t compete with the best.

3. Way too reliant of Cripps and Walsh.

A big problem we have is Walsh going on ball seems to have made all other mids who aren’t Cripps worse, well maybe not Ed.

Either Williams not 100% or just not good tonight.

Saad not 100% but still good.

Gov better than the very low expectations I have for him.

Defensive pressure in forward 50 laughably bad.

Our outside game was non existent for much of the game.


I agree with all that, although I think Williams wasn’t too bad. If he can get some continuity and stay healthy, I reckon he will be very good for us.

Lack of defensive pressure in attack, inadequate disposal efficiency and lack of outside run were the three major problem areas tonight, IMO.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 pm 
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You’re right, we should accept being shit, God knows the players do[/quote]

No acceptance, but blowing the club up isn’t the answer.[/quote]

What is the answer? I don’t see any answers on the ground or off it.[/quote]

The answer is to work on what we do well and add and tinker with things.

Remember it isn’t even 2 years ago we couldn’t buy a win, we are coming from a long way back.

We need to continue to draft well, trade well and keep improving coaching and development.

Things have improved as a club over the past 5 years, but we obviously have a lot of work to do still. I don’t think anyone denies that, but a 28 point loss to one of the best sides in the comp while it has me in a non great mood, doesn’t make me think we need to trade half the list and gut everything North Melbourne style.[/quote]

Tell me what we do well, seriously I can’t think of any aspect of the game we excel at.

The scoreboard was flattering tonight. Thank the Lord they’d had a slog last week and lost a couple of guys early.

As for gutting the club there needs to be change. Start with one captain, then retire Murphy amd replace a couple of the assistant coaches. You’ve got to stir things up to get a response or we’ll be back where North are in no time


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:00 am 
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BlueJean wrote:
“Wanting it” wins out on the day, hands down. We have the skill. But...culture will eventually kill those who “want it”. That’s why the saying “the fish rots at the head” is so critical in this situation. The top man has to lead by example. If that person ain’t got the goods, then it permeates throughout the club and we become mediocre....which is what the club currently is.


If we didn’t “want it” then we wouldn’t have more inside 50’s, more clearances and more scoring shots. Your logic is flawed if you are saying we didn’t want it enough tonight.

Overall as a general concept your logic is fine.
Remember a game in 2018 where we got more inside 50s and lost by 107pts. Guarantee we didn't want it much that day.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:01 am 
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Kennedy too slow
Gibbons too small
Fogarty looked slow
SPS lacks urgency and slow
Williamson no right side etc
Betts too old
Murphy too weak

4 0r 5 of the above need to be replaced.

Dow and Setterfield rightly joined OBrien and dropped.
7 of 11 injured best 22. All long term injuries too.
Ramsay Philp Honey and Durdin still finding their feet.

Stocker has knocked the door down today.
Apart from him the cupboard is bare.
We are stuck with the above for a while yet.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:07 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Kennedy too slow
Gibbons too small
Fogarty looked slow
SPS lacks urgency and slow
Williamson no right side etc
Betts too old
Murphy too weak

4 0r 5 of the above need to be replaced.

Dow and Setterfield rightly joined OBrien and dropped.
7 of 11 injured best 22. All long term injuries too.
Ramsay Philp Honey and Durdin still finding their feet.

Stocker has knocked the door down today.

Owies kicked four today. Maybe him the sub, at least let him believe.

I’d be trying some of the younger guys, they can’t do much worse
Apart from him the cupboard is bare.
We are stuck with the above for a while yet.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:13 am 
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28 point drubbings/thumpings/thrashings/humiliations/beatings/ don’t come any worse than that!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:15 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:16 am 
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jim wrote:
Crippa wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
“Wanting it” wins out on the day, hands down. We have the skill. But...culture will eventually kill those who “want it”. That’s why the saying “the fish rots at the head” is so critical in this situation. The top man has to lead by example. If that person ain’t got the goods, then it permeates throughout the club and we become mediocre....which is what the club currently is.


If we didn’t “want it” then we wouldn’t have more inside 50’s, more clearances and more scoring shots. Your logic is flawed if you are saying we didn’t want it enough tonight.

Overall as a general concept your logic is fine.
Remember a game in 2018 where we got more inside 50s and lost by 107pts. Guarantee we didn't want it much that day.


Bet we didn’t have more scoring shots too that day. So irrelevant. We wanted it plenty today.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:13 am 
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Hornet wrote:
Walsh... that's it

The signs have been there all year, even in our wins, but Port effortlessly exposed us for the imposters that we are. Our skill level, game plan and overall quality of our playing list is not top 8 material.


Exactly, hard to get excited by our 2 wins, ugly footy that top teams would have belted both Fremantle and GC.

As much as it was frustrating tonight, they are a class unit and well coached.

Just the little things how they spread and kick the ball - giving their players the best chance to mark the ball. We often kick the ball which favors the opposition, either dumb or just not good enough.

Realty check, we are not a top 8 side, holes all over the ground.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:51 am 
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Wild Blue wrote:
not sure what Teague actually stands for. we continue year after year of diabolical skill errors, we aren't hard contested ball beasts; we don't hustle defensively or hunt to tackle; we don't hurt teams when we have the opportunity; we don't run hard both ways; we don't play with flair; we never take games on until its effectively over; we pick the same old same old players every week when you know what you're going to get.

at best we're mid-table and yet we still don't risk picking a few newbies (Parks aside) and let them go. If we had Butters, Rozee and Dursmaa they'd still be propping up the twos.
Walsh is the only kid that's come through.
I could handle losing a few if I knew what we were trying to actually do. @#$%&! frustrating and Teague needs to park the bullshit and make some statements verbally or at the selection table.


Walsh has only come thru because he is a freak of a footballer and it wouldn’t be because of development of our coaching staff

And we already have a glimpse of Walsh career , look at cripps and how badly he is struggling after carrying us for so long

If I was Walsh and McKay managers , I would
Be ringing them today and saying to them , let
Me get out of this horrible losing , no man lands , stands for nothing , still live in past success , horrible football club

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:00 am 
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Navy One wrote:
Give Port their due .... Well drilled and beat Tigers last week. No premiership but did finish top last year.

We had a shocker ..... Just wondering whether that game last week against GC took a lot out of them (and GC in their game vs Dogs). It was played in the dry in wet weather muggy conditions. Both teams looked exhausted last week.

That’s right ,
Cripps hasn’t had a touch all year and is struggling ,
He missed from 10 metres out, Williams misses from 25
Metres out , we show no heart or commitment to the contest , but it must be cause the conditions at the Gold Coast

Well let us know when they are switched on again and there is perfect conditions for them
Them to play with heart and desire x , I might come back and watch them!! As
For now , no more wasting my money and time on this crap team

I can’t wait for our coach and captains to come with false apologises ,
How this isn’t good enough

The rot starts at the top

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:34 am 
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Port were too good and crowd knew it mid way through the first qtr.
Even if we bought our A game we would have lost by a goal or a point as Port would have found a way to win.

We are not a top four team yet - but need to consistently beat the teams around to play finals


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:00 am 
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david31 wrote:
Almost 6 years into a rebuild and we’ve got Murphy, Betts, Ed and Levi all as mainstays in the team
Says a bit about our development of youth and injury list
Not good enough
Time to see Stocker - he’s in form in the 2s and at least he’ll crack in and give a stuff


How is it a rebuild if we play only 1 player that we have drafted in th previous 4 drafts that that was Walsh
Coach and he’s staff only looking after themselves


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:21 am 
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Teague is taking us to mediocrity. We've beaten nobody under him and struggle to beat mediocre teams. Surely the board can see that Teague is no good.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:23 am 
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Rubbish leadership too. Cripps and Doc made horrendous errors early. Set the tone. Pathetic.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:24 am 
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Still 17 rounds to go but ain’t looking good
I don’t get excited by beating average teams

Teague must make a statement at the selection table this week
Ramsay Owies and Stocker to come in
Murphy Betts and Kennedy out

As I have said repeatedly our recruiting and list management has been woeful under SOS
To go out and get Fogarty Williams and Saad with picks and salary cap space means the club thinks the supporting class is good enough
Austin is accountable for this but how much of a say does Teflon Judd have

The club internally is out of touch when it comes to being a success on the field
Just because your picked in the top 15in the draft doesn’t mean you automatically think that playerwill be a good player
It don’t work like that
Setterfield
Plowman
OBrien
Kennedy
Dow
SPS
Martin
McKay
All have question marks
Many given long term deals
SOS wasted so many picks on so many crap players as well
The cupboard is bare
Anyone who picks Fasolo Gorringe etc instead of a kid or a late developer in the lower leagues is clearly screwed

And this is what you get
I told you all

So what do you do
You start by dropping Betts and Murphy
You play kids who show something like the three mention

And the club actually finally accepts ithas a problem

I keep coming back to the board
These recruiting decisions are ticked off by Judd
We need the president Pratt and Mathieson all gone
The board ultimately is responsible for the clubs onfield performance

Admit that KPIs are [REDACTED] and start a rebuild now
We have screwed up
The club needs a complete makeover at the top


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:33 am 
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& the atmosphere at the ground was crap

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that's because we never take our chances early

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:38 am 
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We looked clueless moving the ball out of defense. Is there a plan?


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