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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:34 pm 
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Tonight was the 20th time in 30 games under David Teague that Carlton has conceded a 30-point run within a match. @AFLcomau


Having read his following tweet, I understand this to mean that it’s the 20th time we have dropped to 30+ points behind at some point in the game, which to me is not the same as a ‘30 point run’.
No it is conceding 5 + goals in a row without scoring one

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We didn’t do that tonight though


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:34 pm 
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- team defence a shambles .. players dont' block holes in defence
- conceded 100 points against one of the worst forward lines in the league - goes back to team defence which was horrible
- Pittonet is not good enough against premier ruckmen
- improved in clearances from last week - what i saw and you will see our tackle count was down. its not because we cant tackle its because the game plan is not very good on turn over and we turn over the ball alot and there is no compensation for it. shit coaching really
- collingwood played tight football nothing great about them - just did the simple things better
- absolute smashed the inside 50s must have some of the dumbest footballers or coaches in the competition with repetitive entries all the same with same effect
- loser mentality of this group is surreal
- fast paced football doesnt suit cripps too much but still one of our top players winning clearances and sticking the tackle
- zac williams from the clearance is top notch
- skills are good - game plan is shit - too aggressive and shit team defence.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:34 pm 
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Too many players had little influence. Dow Setters Murphy Newnes Casboult...you just can't carry that many & win

Good to see us up the ante in the 3rd qtr but even then we just bombed it forward so often. I think we just used up all our energy that qtr for not enough goals in return.

Harry well done on kicking 4, but still a couple of his second efforts when they had the ball were ordinary. He needs to throw his weight around more when the ball hits the deck.

Williams pretty good debut.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:35 pm 
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Hate to say it, cause I like him, but Teague is no good. Way too loose, way to easy for the opponent to score. It’s been a consistent theme now for a long time. I hope I’m wrong but I feel we’re going nowhere with him at the wheel


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Just another poor decision from the Carlton board didn’t really interview anybody Ratts would of
Been the one to get


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:37 pm 
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We lack depth, too many injuries, too many who aren't up to it. Cas shouldn't be out there. Murphy should be dropped. Dow, that terrible kick towards goal in the last quarter; lacks confidence. I fear the game has gone past Cripps, he looks too slow.

Kicking skills still an issue. Lack leg speed, the increased pace of the game now has found us out. Belted out of the centre again, no hope if you can't at least half centre clearances. I don't think Collinwood are that good either, going to be (another) long season.


Setters, Dow and Williamson serious doubts whether they will ever be good enough.

Murph I think is cooked, 18 nothing possessions tonight and topped off with zero pressure.

We need guys like Philp, stocker, Ramsey etc to start knocking the door down in the vfl.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:37 pm 
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I disagree with most of this, Stranger :lol:

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I think our biggest problem is our match committee are scared to make tuff calls
Why do we play Levi is it because they want a 2nd ruckman you don’t need one
tigers haven’t played one for 4 years Kennedy should be playing Levi roll Levi was terrible tonight, but he’s very important to our structure. If he’s not in the form to play he should be replaced by McDonald, or at a stretch McGovern. It needs to be a tall forward and one who is prepared to jump at the footy in pack situations. That’s not Harry’s go, and if you replace Levi with a mid forward we lose all ability to create an aerial contest. Harry would get mauled as a result.
Murph is cooked and scared play whoever didn’t we recruit a specialist forward
in the draft so why is Murph playing that position for I would say so the don’t have
to drop him Durdin has been injured. Re Murphy, I’ve strongly defended him in recent years and stand by my thoughts that he’s earned his spot over that period. He’s only just earning it at this point, especially if some pressure comes from Cuningham, Honey, Durdin etc through the year.
Williamson is a spud should never get another game poor tonight. I’d drop him. Don’t think he’s cooked yet tho.
Doc is becoming a liability has very little defensive pressure thought he was better tonight. Still in our best setup.
Setters has gone backwards since be moved to the wing played better as a mid starting in the guts agree
They drafted Walsh to give us outside run did that in the first to years so why have they turned him
Into a inside mid when the game in now made for outside mids he’s our best mid currently. Play him where the footy is. You don’t force him to an outside role to accomate Setterfield or Dow type players.
Cripps needs to play forward to slow for the modern game what ever the wa teams offer for him I would
Take it. Cripps is not a forward. I actually think he needs to be around the ball more, not less. He’s too good not to adapt

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:39 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
Hate to say it, cause I like him, but Teague is no good. Way too loose, way to easy for the opponent to score. It’s been a consistent theme now for a long time. I hope I’m wrong but I feel we’re going nowhere with him at the wheel


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Hasn't matters who we've had at the wheel. Issues are deeper than coaching. He's has a long haul ahead to change the culture. All the class you bring in changes nothing unless that culture is changed. That can take forever. Sadly he's been a better coaching performer here than anyone bar Ratten since Parko.

Need a player to stand up and say enough is enough. Much like Chapman did at Geelong in 2007, when they were 2-3 and coming off a poor 2006. He stood up and gave it to them and they have never looked back.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:39 pm 
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Make changes.

Murph
Casboult
Williamson

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:41 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
I disagree with most of this, Stranger :lol:

Stranger wrote:
I think our biggest problem is our match committee are scared to make tuff calls
Why do we play Levi is it because they want a 2nd ruckman you don’t need one
tigers haven’t played one for 4 years Kennedy should be playing Levi roll Levi was terrible tonight, but he’s very important to our structure. If he’s not in the form to play he should be replaced by McDonald, or at a stretch McGovern. It needs to be a tall forward and one who is prepared to jump at the footy in pack situations. That’s not Harry’s go, and if you replace Levi with a mid forward we lose all ability to create an aerial contest. Harry would get mauled as a result.
Murph is cooked and scared play whoever didn’t we recruit a specialist forward
in the draft so why is Murph playing that position for I would say so the don’t have
to drop him Durdin has been injured. Re Murphy, I’ve strongly defended him in recent years and stand by my thoughts that he’s earned his spot over that period. He’s only just earning it at this point, especially if some pressure comes from Cuningham, Honey, Durdin etc through the year.
Williamson is a spud should never get another game poor tonight. I’d drop him. Don’t think he’s cooked yet tho.
Doc is becoming a liability has very little defensive pressure thought he was better tonight. Still in our best setup.
Setters has gone backwards since be moved to the wing played better as a mid starting in the guts agree
They drafted Walsh to give us outside run did that in the first to years so why have they turned him
Into a inside mid when the game in now made for outside mids he’s our best mid currently. Play him where the footy is. You don’t force him to an outside role to accomate Setterfield or Dow type players.
Cripps needs to play forward to slow for the modern game what ever the wa teams offer for him I would
Take it. Cripps is not a forward. I actually think he needs to be around the ball more, not less. He’s too good not to adapt


Walsh has been our best player first 2 games and is a beast.

Forcing him back to a wing because Setters isn’t any good is stupid.

Setters either lifts or goes out of the team.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:42 pm 
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Conceded over 100 points in each of the first 2 games - not good enough!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:43 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:48 pm 
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Stranger wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Hate to say it, cause I like him, but Teague is no good. Way too loose, way to easy for the opponent to score. It’s been a consistent theme now for a long time. I hope I’m wrong but I feel we’re going nowhere with him at the wheel


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Just another poor decision from the Carlton board didn’t really interview anybody Ratts would of
Been the one to get


Not giving up on Teague, we are still coming from a long way back.

I’m sick of losing as much as anyone, though I am hopeful we can improve with Williams and Saad playing regularly and everyone getting used to playing each other.

What I see is we are too loose, and easy to score against, we are being exposed by the lack of pace of guys like Cripps and Setters. Add to that the zero defensive pressure offered by Murph and to an extent Dow.

On the positive side:

Fogarty looks like a very good get
Walsh beast
Harry good
Fish dangerous
Martin class, would like him in the middle more
Saad also class
Williams tried hard
Weiters very good
Gibbo dangerous and very good

Negative

Murph ineffective
Dow doesn’t do enough
Setters crap
Williamson crap
Plow had a rough night
Jones dumb at times
Doch seems a bit vanilla now, but still a good player
Cripps average, no real impact. Had a great first half v Richmond, not done much since


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:48 pm 
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I honestly don’t know what to say. Said most last week, so not worth repeating, except Cripps must have OP. It’s been sad watching him over the past year.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:49 pm 
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And people seriously wonder why I’m pessimistic FFS.

At the end of my tether with this mob.


I get it.

You were right.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:50 pm 
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GMCbris wrote:
We need a ruck


Carlton at their best had great ruckmen

The last decent ruck was Matty Allan and we haven’t looked like it since

I am hopeful De Koning might be the ruckman that we desperately need


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:51 pm 
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We need a ruck


True and a real midfield where you can rotate up to at least 6 genuine midfielders through the middle. Cripps, Walsh and now Williams is not enough. Our inability to get clearances places a lot of pressure on our defenders.

We are kidding ourselves, I have been banging on about this for years, we would have one of the worst midfield groups in the competition.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:51 pm 
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Mckay good game - no way, not from me, yes 4 goals, but really name a goal he got because of his work, not because of the delivery...oh right that'd be the times he fell over - when he has to work, dig deep and really work, nope not in the contest - I put him on a par with Murph's efforts...just.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:52 pm 
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jim wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Hate to say it, cause I like him, but Teague is no good. Way too loose, way to easy for the opponent to score. It’s been a consistent theme now for a long time. I hope I’m wrong but I feel we’re going nowhere with him at the wheel


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Hasn't matters who we've had at the wheel. Issues are deeper than coaching. He's has a long haul ahead to change the culture. All the class you bring in changes nothing unless that culture is changed. That can take forever. Sadly he's been a better coaching performer here than anyone bar Ratten since Parko.

Need a player to stand up and say enough is enough. Much like Chapman did at Geelong in 2007, when they were 2-3 and coming off a poor 2006. He stood up and gave it to them and they have never looked back.


To be fair, 0-2 was always a distinct possibility this year as much as we didn’t like to admit it.

Facing Richmond first up was never a likely win and this one was always a 50-50 proposition.

Pies aren’t exactly terrible. They have a great ruckman, decent midfield, very good defence and some dangerous forwards (and a match winner in De Goey).

We aren’t that good, but we aren’t that bad.

Question though, did SOS recruit a quality mid aside from Walsh?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:53 pm 
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Hopefully we’ll get back to 128-128 later in the year.

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