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Big question if Simpson announces his retirement for a final round farewell, at The Gabba?

or, announces it after the game?

or continues on another year?

My guess is this week will be his last

bondiblue wrote:

Big question if Simpson announces his retirement for a final round farewell, at The Gabba?

or, announces it after the game?

or continues on another year?

My guess is this week will be his last

He's consistently one of our best and most reliable, I for one want to see him play on...

Apologies but I hope we get thrashed
Any effort comparatively better than todays or the GWS or the Coll game shows that there is a culture of volunteerism about playing to win.

Cripps' "we're back" reinforces to me that he is not a captain's shoelace. Give the captaincy to Doc next year and let Cripps just get back to playing well

I know some may think that wishing Carlton loses is treason, but that's how I feel...The entire club needs to feel the heat over the summer

99prelim wrote:

The captaincy should have been given to Simpson many years ago but even that we stuffed up.

What about Betts?

He does have this aura about him and he does put on pressure, in the hardest spot on the ground.

Do we have anyone who can fill his shoes other than Papley?

I'm happy with Fisher in the FP/ mid and/ or SPS

Ramsey is one who is touted as able to play as a small defender. If his performances and effort at all warrant it I would be happy for him to be given a taste this week.

bondiblue wrote:

Plenty of kids in the draft if we want a small forward, or give some of the kids time to shine, Honey, Owies, Phillips etc.

We really need to move forward. Ed will still be around the club as a mentor.

As for Simmo, he has been a great club man, but his form has dropped off a lot this year. Time for some others to take us forward. With Kemp back, he will most likely start at half back, Newman is back, Marchbank is back too. Willo has a good first year back from his back problems, and showed plenty, although inconsistent.

The Normal One wrote:

This will tell us a lot again about the mentality of the group.

The annual don’t turn up to play in the last round game.

We will be thumped as always.

Or, we turn up and shows we are ready for a big preseason, and take a big scalp into it.

Was just about to post the same thing.

2015: 57 point loss to Hawthorn.
2016: 24 point loss to Essendon** who had won 2 games for the year with a team of top up rejects.
2017: 81 point loss to Sydney after being 12 down at half time. Buddy kicks 10.
2018: 104 point loss to Adelaide. Bolton plays half the game with a 2 man forward line. Jenkins kicks 7
2019: 68 point loss to Geelong in pissing rain.

Nothing says to me that anything has changed.

Brently8 wrote:

The Normal One wrote:

Was just about to post the same thing.

2015: 57 point loss to Hawthorn.
2016: 24 point loss to Essendon*** who had won 2 games for the year with a team of top up rejects.
2017: 81 point loss to Sydney after being 12 down at half time. Buddy kicks 10.
2018: 104 point loss to Adelaide. Bolton plays half the game with a 2 man forward line. Jenkins kicks 7
2019: 68 point loss to Geelong in pissing rain.

Nothing says to me that anything has changed.

2014 - draw with Essendon**
2013 - 1 point win over Port
2012 - 15 point loss to St Kilda
2011 - 20 point loss to St Kilda
2010 - 6 point loss to Fremantle
2009 - 72 point loss to Adelaide
2008 - 78 point loss to Adelaide
2007 - 31 point loss to Melbourne
2006 - 92 point loss to Sydney
2005 - 30 point loss to North
2004 - 1 point win over Collingwood
2003 - 124 point loss to North
2002 - 55 point loss to Essendon**

Since the first wooden spoon, two 1 point wins, a draw and an average losing margin of 57 points.

Rod Spooky Galt wrote:

Brently8 wrote:

The Normal One wrote:

Was just about to post the same thing.

2015: 57 point loss to Hawthorn.
2016: 24 point loss to Essendon**** who had won 2 games for the year with a team of top up rejects.
2017: 81 point loss to Sydney after being 12 down at half time. Buddy kicks 10.
2018: 104 point loss to Adelaide. Bolton plays half the game with a 2 man forward line. Jenkins kicks 7
2019: 68 point loss to Geelong in pissing rain.

Nothing says to me that anything has changed.

2014 - draw with Essendon***
2013 - 1 point win over Port
2012 - 15 point loss to St Kilda
2011 - 20 point loss to St Kilda
2010 - 6 point loss to Fremantle
2009 - 72 point loss to Adelaide
2008 - 78 point loss to Adelaide
2007 - 31 point loss to Melbourne
2006 - 92 point loss to Sydney
2005 - 30 point loss to North
2004 - 1 point win over Collingwood
2003 - 124 point loss to North
2002 - 55 point loss to Essendon***

Since the first wooden spoon, two 1 point wins, a draw and an average losing margin of 57 points.

I knew our record in the final round has been disgraceful even in those few years we were above average, but that is truly depressing reading.
The fact that our players check out early every single year is a joke.

Big question if Simpson announces his retirement for a final round farewell, at The Gabba?

or, announces it after the game?

or continues on another year?

My guess is this week will be his last

bondiblue wrote:

Big question if Simpson announces his retirement for a final round farewell, at The Gabba?

or, announces it after the game?

or continues on another year?

My guess is this week will be his last

Looks like its going to happen at The Gabba this Saturday.

It really is a MUST WIN game for Teague this week.

The boys have to do it for Simmo.

Lions have cemented 2 home finals and a home grand final
Hoping Lions fear injury with a relentless, reckless Carlton effort

Lose and the negative media will be heard for the next 6 months non stop.
keogh will lose his fingerprints on the keyboard

As I posted earlier, if we lose, and Effendon* beat Dees, we go down to 13th
If Suns win next 2 against Pies tonight and Hawks next week we go down to 14th.

It will be a long long summer for carltonians

Brently8 wrote:

The Normal One wrote:

Author:	bondiblue [ Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:36 pm ]
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Big question if Simpson announces his retirement for a final round farewell, at The Gabba? or, announces it after the game? or continues on another year? My guess is this week will be his last

Author:	bondiblue [ Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:38 pm ]
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What about Betts? He does have this aura about him and he does put on pressure, in the hardest spot on the ground. Do we have anyone who can fill his shoes other than Papley? I'm happy with Fisher in the FP/ mid and/ or SPS

Author:	CC1961 [ Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:16 pm ]
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bondiblue wrote: Big question if Simpson announces his retirement for a final round farewell, at The Gabba? or, announces it after the game? or continues on another year? My guess is this week will be his last He's consistently one of our best and most reliable, I for one want to see him play on...

Author:	bondiblue [ Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:21 pm ]
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CC1961 wrote: bondiblue wrote: Big question if Simpson announces his retirement for a final round farewell, at The Gabba? or, announces it after the game? or continues on another year? My guess is this week will be his last He's consistently one of our best and most reliable, I for one want to see him play on... True, and there were times he looks like, or hints that he's lost a yard. I don't care either way. I just don't think he will be any good in the second half of 2021.

Author:	Navy One [ Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:50 pm ]
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99prelim wrote: Apologies but I hope we get thrashed Any effort comparatively better than todays or the GWS or the Coll game shows that there is a culture of volunteerism about playing to win. Cripps' "we're back" reinforces to me that he is not a captain's shoelace. Give the captaincy to Doc next year and let Cripps just get back to playing well I know some may think that wishing Carlton loses is treason, but that's how I feel...The entire club needs to feel the heat over the summer The captaincy should have been given to Simpson many years ago but even that we stuffed up.

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Author:	Blue Sombrero [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:35 am ]
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Navy One wrote: 99prelim wrote: Apologies but I hope we get thrashed Any effort comparatively better than todays or the GWS or the Coll game shows that there is a culture of volunteerism about playing to win. Cripps' "we're back" reinforces to me that he is not a captain's shoelace. Give the captaincy to Doc next year and let Cripps just get back to playing well I know some may think that wishing Carlton loses is treason, but that's how I feel...The entire club needs to feel the heat over the summer The captaincy should have been given to Simpson many years ago but even that we stuffed up. This

Author:	The Normal One [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:27 am ]
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bondiblue wrote: What about Betts? He does have this aura about him and he does put on pressure, in the hardest spot on the ground. Do we have anyone who can fill his shoes other than Papley? I'm happy with Fisher in the FP/ mid and/ or SPS Plenty of kids in the draft if we want a small forward, or give some of the kids time to shine, Honey, Owies, Phillips etc. We really need to move forward. Ed will still be around the club as a mentor. As for Simmo, he has been a great club man, but his form has dropped off a lot this year. Time for some others to take us forward. With Kemp back, he will most likely start at half back, Newman is back, Marchbank is back too. Willo has a good first year back from his back problems, and showed plenty, although inconsistent.

Author:	ianh [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:57 am ]
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Ramsey is one who is touted as able to play as a small defender. If his performances and effort at all warrant it I would be happy for him to be given a taste this week.

Author:	sinbagger [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:59 am ]
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Out: Docherty and McGovern In: Kennedy and Owies Newness my moves to defence, Gibbons and Cuningham into the midfield/wing and Owies into the fwd line. Kennedy also into the fwd line and can rotate through the middle. I’d like to see Owies and Eddie play together. I’m sure Eddie will announce his retirement before the game.

Author:	bondiblue [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:18 am ]
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ianh wrote: Ramsey is one who is touted as able to play as a small defender. If his performances and effort at all warrant it I would be happy for him to be given a taste this week. Would love to see what this kid has got. Small defender? I know he's an attacking half back with speed, good skills and wins his own ball. Do it!

Author:	Blue Sombrero [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:17 pm ]
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The Normal One wrote: bondiblue wrote: What about Betts? He does have this aura about him and he does put on pressure, in the hardest spot on the ground. Do we have anyone who can fill his shoes other than Papley? I'm happy with Fisher in the FP/ mid and/ or SPS Plenty of kids in the draft if we want a small forward, or give some of the kids time to shine, Honey, Owies, Phillips etc. We really need to move forward. Ed will still be around the club as a mentor. As for Simmo, he has been a great club man, but his form has dropped off a lot this year. Time for some others to take us forward. With Kemp back, he will most likely start at half back, Newman is back, Marchbank is back too. Willo has a good first year back from his back problems, and showed plenty, although inconsistent. Alll SOS picks. We're going nowhere with any of them, apparently.

Author:	Rod Spooky Galt [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:06 pm ]
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Brently8 wrote: The Normal One wrote: This will tell us a lot again about the mentality of the group. The annual don’t turn up to play in the last round game. We will be thumped as always. Or, we turn up and shows we are ready for a big preseason, and take a big scalp into it. Was just about to post the same thing. 2015: 57 point loss to Hawthorn. 2016: 24 point loss to Essendon** who had won 2 games for the year with a team of top up rejects. 2017: 81 point loss to Sydney after being 12 down at half time. Buddy kicks 10. 2018: 104 point loss to Adelaide. Bolton plays half the game with a 2 man forward line. Jenkins kicks 7 2019: 68 point loss to Geelong in pissing rain. Nothing says to me that anything has changed. 2014 - draw with Essendon* 2013 - 1 point win over Port 2012 - 15 point loss to St Kilda 2011 - 20 point loss to St Kilda 2010 - 6 point loss to Fremantle 2009 - 72 point loss to Adelaide 2008 - 78 point loss to Adelaide 2007 - 31 point loss to Melbourne 2006 - 92 point loss to Sydney 2005 - 30 point loss to North 2004 - 1 point win over Collingwood 2003 - 124 point loss to North 2002 - 55 point loss to Essendon* Since the first wooden spoon, two 1 point wins, a draw and an average losing margin of 57 points.

Author:	Donstuie [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:11 pm ]
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Thanks Rod...

Author:	chubbyruss [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:15 pm ]
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3 votes - Brisbane - L. Neale

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Author:	rhino27 [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:26 pm ]
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote: Brently8 wrote: The Normal One wrote: This will tell us a lot again about the mentality of the group. The annual don’t turn up to play in the last round game. We will be thumped as always. Or, we turn up and shows we are ready for a big preseason, and take a big scalp into it. Was just about to post the same thing. 2015: 57 point loss to Hawthorn. 2016: 24 point loss to Essendon* who had won 2 games for the year with a team of top up rejects. 2017: 81 point loss to Sydney after being 12 down at half time. Buddy kicks 10. 2018: 104 point loss to Adelaide. Bolton plays half the game with a 2 man forward line. Jenkins kicks 7 2019: 68 point loss to Geelong in pissing rain. Nothing says to me that anything has changed. 2014 - draw with Essendon 2013 - 1 point win over Port 2012 - 15 point loss to St Kilda 2011 - 20 point loss to St Kilda 2010 - 6 point loss to Fremantle 2009 - 72 point loss to Adelaide 2008 - 78 point loss to Adelaide 2007 - 31 point loss to Melbourne 2006 - 92 point loss to Sydney 2005 - 30 point loss to North 2004 - 1 point win over Collingwood 2003 - 124 point loss to North 2002 - 55 point loss to Essendon** Since the first wooden spoon, two 1 point wins, a draw and an average losing margin of 57 points. I knew our record in the final round has been disgraceful even in those few years we were above average, but that is truly depressing reading. The fact that our players check out early every single year is a joke.

Author:	jim [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:46 pm ]
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rhino27 wrote: Rod Spooky Galt wrote: Brently8 wrote: The Normal One wrote: This will tell us a lot again about the mentality of the group. The annual don’t turn up to play in the last round game. We will be thumped as always. Or, we turn up and shows we are ready for a big preseason, and take a big scalp into it. Was just about to post the same thing. 2015: 57 point loss to Hawthorn. 2016: 24 point loss to Essendon** who had won 2 games for the year with a team of top up rejects. 2017: 81 point loss to Sydney after being 12 down at half time. Buddy kicks 10. 2018: 104 point loss to Adelaide. Bolton plays half the game with a 2 man forward line. Jenkins kicks 7 2019: 68 point loss to Geelong in pissing rain. Nothing says to me that anything has changed. 2014 - draw with Essendon* 2013 - 1 point win over Port 2012 - 15 point loss to St Kilda 2011 - 20 point loss to St Kilda 2010 - 6 point loss to Fremantle 2009 - 72 point loss to Adelaide 2008 - 78 point loss to Adelaide 2007 - 31 point loss to Melbourne 2006 - 92 point loss to Sydney 2005 - 30 point loss to North 2004 - 1 point win over Collingwood 2003 - 124 point loss to North 2002 - 55 point loss to Essendon*** Since the first wooden spoon, two 1 point wins, a draw and an average losing margin of 57 points. I knew our record in the final round has been disgraceful even in those few years we were above average, but that is truly depressing reading. The fact that our players check out early every single year is a joke. Even the 4 years we played finals we only won once. Even then we were horrible in the extreme for 2 1/2 qtrs then come home from 37pts behinds to win by a point, which got us into the finals. Familiar story. After last week not sure they'll dare not have a crack this week. Teague was diplomatic but you could see he was seething deep down the way he said a couple of things. Hope that exploded out in private.

Author:	bondiblue [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:18 pm ]
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bondiblue wrote: Big question if Simpson announces his retirement for a final round farewell, at The Gabba? or, announces it after the game? or continues on another year? My guess is this week will be his last Looks like its going to happen at The Gabba this Saturday. It really is a MUST WIN game for Teague this week. The boys have to do it for Simmo. Lions have cemented 2 home finals and a home grand final Hoping Lions fear injury with a relentless, reckless Carlton effort Lose and the negative media will be heard for the next 6 months non stop. keogh will lose his fingerprints on the keyboard As I posted earlier, if we lose, and Effendon* beat Dees, we go down to 13th If Suns win next 2 against Pies tonight and Hawks next week we go down to 14th. It will be a long long summer for carltonians

Author:	bluedog [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:57 pm ]
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bondiblue wrote: bondiblue wrote: Big question if Simpson announces his retirement for a final round farewell, at The Gabba? or, announces it after the game? or continues on another year? My guess is this week will be his last Looks like its going to happen at The Gabba this Saturday. It really is a MUST WIN game for Teague this week. The boys have to do it for Simmo. Lions have cemented 2 home finals and a home grand final Hoping Lions fear injury with a relentless, reckless Carlton effort Lose and the negative media will be heard for the next 6 months non stop. keogh will lose his fingerprints on the keyboard As I posted earlier, if we lose, and Effendon* beat Dees, we go down to 13th If Suns win next 2 against Pies tonight and Hawks next week we go down to 14th. It will be a long long summer for carltonians We won't. Either that, or they'll say we can't win when the pressure is on. Funny! They won't.

Author:	Donstuie [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:00 pm ]
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It seems unfortunately appropriate that Simpson's last game for us is likely to be a thrashing. He's spent his whole career 'deserving better', so why change the script now.

Author:	AGRO [ Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:05 pm ]
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote: Brently8 wrote: The Normal One wrote: This will tell us a lot again about the mentality of the group. The annual don’t turn up to play in the last round game. We will be thumped as always. Or, we turn up and shows we are ready for a big preseason, and take a big scalp into it. Was just about to post the same thing. 2015: 57 point loss to Hawthorn. 2016: 24 point loss to Essendon* who had won 2 games for the year with a team of top up rejects. 2017: 81 point loss to Sydney after being 12 down at half time. Buddy kicks 10. 2018: 104 point loss to Adelaide. Bolton plays half the game with a 2 man forward line. Jenkins kicks 7 2019: 68 point loss to Geelong in pissing rain. Nothing says to me that anything has changed. 2014 - draw with Essendon 2013 - 1 point win over Port 2012 - 15 point loss to St Kilda 2011 - 20 point loss to St Kilda 2010 - 6 point loss to Fremantle 2009 - 72 point loss to Adelaide 2008 - 78 point loss to Adelaide 2007 - 31 point loss to Melbourne 2006 - 92 point loss to Sydney 2005 - 30 point loss to North 2004 - 1 point win over Collingwood 2003 - 124 point loss to North 2002 - 55 point loss to Essendon** Since the first wooden spoon, two 1 point wins, a draw and an average losing margin of 57 points. So a 9 goal loss would be an improvement on the 18 year rolling average.