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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:36 pm 
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CC1961 wrote:
Tragically, we ARE getting the ball in... we are still 4TH FOR INSIDE 50s
yet Carlton is WORST FOR GOALS FROM INSIDE 50s. (19%)


Oh, and the three teams that ARE above us on inside 50s?

No surprise here: Port Adelaide, Brisbane, Richmond.

Yep- Places ONE, TWO & THREE on this year's ladder!

Our coaches should be taken out somewhere and SHOT.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:09 am 
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Bit drastic

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:36 am 
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AGRO wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
The sad thing is 8 weeks ago I picked Adel to beat us, that's how flaky Carlton are.

Teague has no idea. There is no unique game plan.




It doesn’t have to be unique but it does need to be executed- if half our inside 50s hit a target today then that would have been a start.

Half of the half that didn't go straight to the opposition even.

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Donstuie wrote:
Bit drastic

I agree. A good thrashing would be sufficient.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:52 am 
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That inside 50 count is a misnomer

Other teams are prepared for us to have possession around the arc as they can comfortably set up defensively with our slow and inefficient ball movement

Ourvball movement has been terrible since Bolton and it hasn’t really improved

In my view due to a lack of system and too many one paced players

It’s why I am disappointed players such as Cunningham, Dow and O’Brien have not sufficiently improved

It’s these type of players with pace who could make a difference


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:04 am 
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CC1961 wrote:
CC1961 wrote:
Tragically, we ARE getting the ball in... we are still 4TH FOR INSIDE 50s
yet Carlton is WORST FOR GOALS FROM INSIDE 50s. (19%)


Oh, and the three teams that ARE above us on inside 50s?

No surprise here: Port Adelaide, Brisbane, Richmond.

Yep- Places ONE, TWO & THREE on this year's ladder!

Our coaches should be taken out somewhere and SHOT.


Yep, that falls on the coaches.

If not, who else?

If the players are not motivated to bust a gut, whose fault is that?

If the players are not good enough to execute coaches instructions, whose fault is that?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:22 am 
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CC1961 wrote:
CC1961 wrote:
Tragically, we ARE getting the ball in... we are still 4TH FOR INSIDE 50s
yet Carlton is WORST FOR GOALS FROM INSIDE 50s. (19%)


Oh, and the three teams that ARE above us on inside 50s?

No surprise here: Port Adelaide, Brisbane, Richmond.

Yep- Places ONE, TWO & THREE on this year's ladder!

Our coaches should be taken out somewhere and SHOT.


it would have to be in their hotel, or the club would also get fined for breaking quarantine guidelines....

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:31 am 
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Arnhem blues wrote:
Is there anything in repeated 5 day turnarounds that could account for some of this?
I wondered that too, and perhaps there is something in it, BUT why then would we have more energy, more running and more intensity in the second half when it was too late?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:39 am 
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Not an issue round 1and 2 didn’t turn up to play until second half
Round 16 and 17 didn’t turn up to play
Same problem March through September mentally weak
Only match played 4 quarters for the year was against the dogs
Pattern is either to not turn up until half time or alternatively start well and then go to sleep for a quarter and a half
Mentally fragile and inept


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:41 am 
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Cunners has had once chance on the ball and that’s it. Despite us calling out for speed in there.
Agree with all that, definitely need more variety and speed going through the middle. On Cunners specifically, he also played predominantly midfield against the Saints the week after he was BOG against * (6 CBAs v * and 9 CBAs v Saints) but don't think he's been given the opportunity since.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:45 am 
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[quote="frank dardew"]Not an issue round 1and 2 didn’t turn up to play until second half
Round 16 and 17 didn’t turn up to play
Same problem March through September mentally weak
Only match played 4 quarters for the year was against the dogs
Pattern is either to not turn up until half time or alternatively start well and then go to sleep for a quarter and a half
Mentally fragile and inept[/quote]

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:23 am 
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snakehips wrote:
david31 wrote:
Cunners has had once chance on the ball and that’s it. Despite us calling out for speed in there.
Agree with all that, definitely need more variety and speed going through the middle. On Cunners specifically, he also played predominantly midfield against the Saints the week after he was BOG against * (6 CBAs v * and 9 CBAs v Saints) but don't think he's been given the opportunity since.

Agree with that Snakeships. I forgot about that Saints game where he was given another chance. He was very average against the Saints but he had a lot of mates on the night. A poor performance all around. Cunners is far from a perfect player but, like a lot of our youngsters, he seems to get 1-2 chances and if he doesn’t produce then it’s back to some other part of the ground or the 2s. He, along with others such as SPS, Fish etc, should have been given at least a 4 week block as a midfielder. If they can’t make it, then so be it but it’s very hard to tell from 1-2 games.

Also, as many have already said, we need to run 8 deep in the midfield but we haven’t been rotating enough. No reason Cunners and Fish can’t plah 40% forward, 40% mid and 20% of the ground. Coaching staff must be flexible. Utilise the fresher legs and give the opposition different looks to worry about.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:37 am 
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I am pretty calm about yesterday. First half like that was due with months away and compacted recent fixture. It was the worst we played all year. Body clocks all out of whack. Looked like they were not physically conditioned for it. Cement legs. No intensity. The second half was more the real Carlton. While our consistency is a worry I feel we have improved a lot.
Hopefully we can have a big preseason, recruit well and have things get back to normal Covid wise for 2021. Big full length games on the MCG .
Time to finish up a few veterans and review our player management and conditioning.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:05 am 
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MOST QUARTERS WON FOR YEAR:
Geelong - 38
Bris, Port - 36
Carlton, St.K - 34

LEAST QUARTERS LOST FOR YEAR:
Geelong - 21
Bris, Port - 22
Rich - 24
Carlton, St.K, GWS - 25

Hmmm. Like being 4th for Inside 50's we're 4th for overall quarters won.
Should be in finals with double-chance.

Now about those 4+ goal runs by opposition...

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:06 pm 
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We've hit a flat patch at a bad time, partially due to the compressed fixture. It's disappointing, but understandable.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:13 pm 
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WOW wrote:
That inside 50 count is a misnomer

Other teams are prepared for us to have possession around the arc as they can comfortably set up defensively with our slow and inefficient ball movement

Ourvball movement has been terrible since Bolton and it hasn’t really improved

In my view due to a lack of system and too many one paced players

It’s why I am disappointed players such as Cunningham, Dow and O’Brien have not sufficiently improved

It’s these type of players with pace who could make a difference

I think Cunningham has improved.
He started to put games together and then got injured and then ignored by the MC.
Dow and O'Brien don'e seem to have come on. Dow seems to have gone backwards.
Not having a ressies competition has made it hard to gauge where they are.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:18 pm 
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Huge gulf between best and worst performance -close the b...... gap
Yesterday was just a perfect example as that
Going at 29 percent disposal efficiency in first quarter yesterday combined with lack of effort and not turning up in another first GAME GONE against the bottom team -another wasted opportunity and TOTALLY IMMATURE performance and what is more disappointing didn’t surprise us 3 weeks out everyone was worried about this one
As I said didn’t turn up in the first half in the first 2 games 14 and 15 rounds later and in terms of time 6 months later still making the same mistakes
Unacceptable and they continue to let us down badly no other interpretation
No longer a young team


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:36 pm 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrN_zby-3bE

Perfectly summed up Terry.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:39 pm 
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CC1961 wrote:
MOST QUARTERS WON FOR YEAR:
Geelong - 38
Bris, Port - 36
Carlton, St.K - 34

LEAST QUARTERS LOST FOR YEAR:
Geelong - 21
Bris, Port - 22
Rich - 24
Carlton, St.K, GWS - 25

Hmmm. Like being 4th for Inside 50's we're 4th for overall quarters won.
Should be in finals with double-chance.

Now about those 4+ goal runs by opposition...



What’s the stat for the “worst quarters” lost for the year?


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As Colonel Frank Slade said “There’s no prosthetic for that”.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:50 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
WOW wrote:
That inside 50 count is a misnomer

Other teams are prepared for us to have possession around the arc as they can comfortably set up defensively with our slow and inefficient ball movement

Ourvball movement has been terrible since Bolton and it hasn’t really improved

In my view due to a lack of system and too many one paced players

It’s why I am disappointed players such as Cunningham, Dow and O’Brien have not sufficiently improved

It’s these type of players with pace who could make a difference

I think Cunningham has improved.
He started to put games together and then got injured and then ignored by the MC.
Dow and O'Brien don'e seem to have come on. Dow seems to have gone backwards.
Not having a ressies competition has made it hard to gauge where they are.


Cuningham looked a million bucks vs Effendon*.
His pace in the last quarter looked like something we needed badly. Had similar feelings when I saw Pickett a coupla years ago.
Not enough body of work to suggest he's improved, but we saw what he can do ... if...his body is right, he tries and things go his way.
Who knows? Maybe midfield is where he should be.

OBrien hasn't been seen. Played injured yesterday. From what PBrien said in the preseason, he knows what he needs to work on to break into the team, so it was obvious to him he wasn't going to be gifted games.

Dow is the same, imo. Hasn't gone backwards. Still no repeat efforts and no desire to go hard at the man.
He just doesn't belong in the big time yet. Obviously been injured, but he hasn't been given games to show he wares this year.

Dow needs a good sports psych. Someone who looks after oxers or UFC fighters, just to get him in that head space, even if only 5% gets through his thick head.

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