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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:17 am 
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Unfortunately we currently play a one dimensional game style that leaves our defence exposed. I posted a while ago (6 weeks?) that we were in the 8 or contending yet we had conceded the second most points.
Teague likes to stretch the ground and to retain forwards deep which creates space but it also makes us predictable and exploitable when the opposition win it back. We play an almost exclusive front half game but you need more than that to prevent the opposition settling in to a defensive system.
Perhaps the training restrictions this year have prevented the ability to diversify but we need to mix it up and get offensive run from our back half as well. Some posters have bemoaned our lack of run from defence. Well, that's the reason why. We don't compress the ground enough in defence so when we bring the ball out, it's either chip kicks or Hail Marys to the contest. 18th in the AFL for uncontested possessions and 17th for handballs. Ask yourself how many goals we've got out the back this year. Very few. Some times you need to get players up the ground, compress the defence and bring the ball out with run. It's great that Teague has a preferred system to play the game but we need more next season.

Interesting post, BV.
My observations (TV only) would suggest that the forwards go too far up the ground.
I sit here wondering why all our forwards are in the middle of the ground and there is a line of three defenders behind them on the 50 m arc.
When Harry takes a mark on the HBF and looks up, he has to stop because everybody is behind him.

Anyway, as I said, I can only se what looks to be happening on TV.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:01 pm 
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Yep, the forwards were not in the forward line.

They needed tags on their chests to remind them what their role was.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:01 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:03 pm 
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noice one!

You had a sister play netball?

How about, McGovern...

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:11 pm 
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If we had Charlie Curnow for the season we would have been playing finals.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:26 pm 
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AFL site - "Blues 2020 Report Card"

https://www.afl.com.au/news/509756

What failed
"Carlton's inability to stop opposition teams from gaining complete control over the contest in a short space of time ruined any chance of finals footy.
The Blues have remarkably now conceded a 30-point run in 18 of David Teague's 28 games in charge, and it cost them dearly this season. Carlton threw away winning positions against Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Hawthorn, West Coast, Collingwood and Greater Western Sydney – not to mention costly periods in defeats to Richmond, St Kilda, Adelaide and Brisbane. How differently are we evaluating the club's campaign if they secure victory in even half of those very winnable games?"

Fully 64% of all games under Teague feature this 5-goal opposition run.

On top of the 25% of opening quarters without a single goal.


There is a coaching-deficit happening Big Time here.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:43 pm 
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CC1961 wrote:
noice one!

You had a sister play netball?

How about, McGovern...

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:lol:

I played netball for one season in a mixed comp when the army team ran out of players. I was about 39 at the time and could barely get both feet off the ground at the same time.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:56 pm 
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our under12 game plan (using this line all year) does not work alot of teams expect us to boot / long bomb into our fwd 50 we don't mark it turnover and of course with quick ball movement all of a sudden the ball at the end easy goals,being happening for years . Our team defence does not exist. Then you watch good sides have numbers in defence support / run handball we need (our coaches) to somehow introduce this system for 21 .


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:23 pm 
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CC1961 wrote:
AFL site - "Blues 2020 Report Card"

https://www.afl.com.au/news/509756

What failed
"Carlton's inability to stop opposition teams from gaining complete control over the contest in a short space of time ruined any chance of finals footy.
The Blues have remarkably now conceded a 30-point run in 18 of David Teague's 28 games in charge, and it cost them dearly this season. Carlton threw away winning positions against Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Hawthorn, West Coast, Collingwood and Greater Western Sydney – not to mention costly periods in defeats to Richmond, St Kilda, Adelaide and Brisbane. How differently are we evaluating the club's campaign if they secure victory in even half of those very winnable games?"

Fully 64% of all games under Teague feature this 5-goal opposition run.

On top of the 25% of opening quarters without a single goal.


There is a coaching-deficit happening Big Time here.


That is a STAGGERING statistic. I don't think it's a gameplan issue but more of a work-rate issue.


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Welcome Slyuss2.
May your journey on TC to Premiership number 17 be memorable (and swift). :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:01 pm 
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Nice welcome for Slyuss2, CFC8795
Ditto.

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Nice work getting to 500 posts in less than a month CC1961 :smoking:

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jamespul65 wrote:
our under12 game plan (using this line all year) does not work alot of teams expect us to boot / long bomb into our fwd 50 we don't mark it turnover and of course with quick ball movement all of a sudden the ball at the end easy goals,being happening for years . Our team defence does not exist. Then you watch good sides have numbers in defence support / run handball we need (our coaches) to somehow introduce this system for 21 .

Judging from that, you favour the non-stop run and carry style of play with no stops to separate phases of play.

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CFC8795 wrote:
Nice work getting to 500 posts in less than a month CC1961 :smoking:

errrr... thanks?

Sorry, got here and got addicted.
Great content and great debates.

And a varied and interesting bunch of contributors

Like YOU!

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Slyuss2 wrote:
That is a STAGGERING statistic. I don't think it's a gameplan issue but more of a work-rate issue.


Agree and on field leadership issue.
I'm sure the coaches have talked about it and planned but the execution is not happening.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:48 pm 
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work rate is so true 2 recent examples, walsh had the ball across fullback line had no team mate to kick the ball so he has no choice and goes the u12 long bomb ,straight to opposition turnover goal.(no options)2 defender does the spoil from behind successfully punches the ball away who is at the fall of the ball the opposition yes another goal . So wen you watch rich /coll love how they defend and you can see players run to assist and help .Just question are our players fit enough to increase WORKRATE


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:31 am 
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Coach too friendly with his players, not tough enough, waits for the last game of the year before giving them a rocket.
Coach is not defence first, has no defensive identity. Most premiership teams IIRC are built on defence first.

Too many small players (SPS, Murphy, Polson, Gibbons, Betts, Fisher + skinny types like Simpson & LOB) = not hard, tough enough. Go see Geel vs Port for the template. Half our team wouldn't stand a chance in the heat that was on display last night.

Either give up 5 goal runs at the start of games or later in games, the consistency of which was startling. Who's fault is this? The players or the coach who is on record himself as saying he isn't very good at pre game speeches?


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Just watched the Dogs game and the first quarter against Geelong.
Both were free flowing hard running using the corridor at all opportunities and we slaughtered them.
I have no idea why we stopped attacking the game early ion the year and reverted to the crap short stuff down the line that caused us to win and lose by small mergins.

If they play daring footy like that every week and only play chippy chippy when we need to control the pace of the game (e.g. to stop a run on) we should rally trouble most sides.

If we look at the teams who are still in it, they all play run and carry football and back themselves forward of the footy. Teams who play slow are mid-table and below. Melbourne is an exception but they just missed the 8 anyway. Plus they don't seem to have a system. They play different footy every week.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:00 pm 
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run and carry game style for that to happen our list need to really improve fitness levels ,go to another level


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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Just watched the Dogs game and the first quarter against Geelong.
Both were free flowing hard running using the corridor at all opportunities and we slaughtered them.
I have no idea why we stopped attacking the game early on in the year and reverted to the crap short stuff down the line that caused us to win and lose by small margins.

If they play daring footy like that every week and only play chippy chippy when we need to control the pace of the game (e.g. to stop a run on) we should really trouble most sides.

If we look at the teams who are still in it, they all play run and carry football and back themselves forward of the footy. Teams who play slow are mid-table and below.

Yep.

I liked Brisbane (v Richmond) this past weekend, particularly from the opening bounce where it came out rapidly to Rich who just sized up the goals from outside 50 and banged it straight through!

Failing to recall anyone from Carlton grabbing it by the scruff of the neck like that this year.

Why wouldn't that type of effort be the goal every single time?

I absolutely cringe when it goes around the boundary; if you look at the ground layout it's 50 metres from the goalsquare to the edge of the centre square (one kick) then another 50 metres to the forward 50 arc (another kick) and a modern AFL player should then be in range of the goals.

Instead of all the effort in structuring 'set ups' around the boundary that require half a dozen successful passes to make any progress why wouldn't it be more profitable and efficient to get the damn ball successfully into the 2,500 square metres of real estate called the centre square from which one decent kick is a goal-bound attack???

All Premiership teams manage to make this a feature of their dominance.

Why can't we?

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