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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:23 am 
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Difference between those years and this year in my book...We’re closer AND we have plenty of room for improvement.

9 wins from 17 would have been a good result and just outside the 8.

Beginning of the year i would have taken 8 as a pass

I make out most of the hysteria and disappointment wouldn’t be there if we were currently on 8 or 9 games after 16 games. Wouldn’t be for me at least.


That's because you aren't the hysterical type.

Now, put that oxygen mask back on, and see if you can get 'off' on the oxygen. :yikes:

I want Finals. A better coach would have got us there. That's just a guess


Ha ha - coaches are over rated. These kids know how to play. Take responsibility on the ground for moving it quickly, disposing of it poorly, pushing to space, tackling.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:41 am 
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Collingwood and Cox.
All of a sudden they are isolating him and he is marking the footy and getting goals and score involvements.


That's a good idea.

Why not try that with harry?
You should have thought about that one BS. Too slow in your old age :wink:

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I'm slipping.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:01 pm 
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london blue wrote:

Ha ha - coaches are over rated. These kids know how to play. Take responsibility on the ground for moving it quickly, disposing of it poorly, pushing to space, tackling.

I agree with your sentiments about player's on ground responsibility, but then that's where the coaching issue steps back in...

If the player isn't meeting standards then he surely isn't still in the team to keep repeating them, is he?

Coaches (should) jump in, work on the errant behaviour, if successful - well and good; if not player is dropped right?

So on-field success is a mix of the two.
If the player doesn't 'remediate' he doesn't get back in or stay in, surely?

I believe we have enough 'good cattle' with the requisite skills to avoid having to carry dead wood in games.

So, I'll put it back on the coaches...
Either,
- they're Not MAKING players work to the plan
or
- there IS NO @#$%&! PLAN
(not a Good one anyway)

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:29 am 
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CC1961 wrote:
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Ha ha - coaches are over rated. These kids know how to play. Take responsibility on the ground for moving it quickly, disposing of it poorly, pushing to space, tackling.

I agree with your sentiments about player's on ground responsibility, but then that's where the coaching issue steps back in...

If the player isn't meeting standards then he surely isn't still in the team to keep repeating them, is he?

Coaches (should) jump in, work on the errant behaviour, if successful - well and good; if not player is dropped right?

So on-field success is a mix of the two.
If the player doesn't 'remediate' he doesn't get back in or stay in, surely?

I believe we have enough 'good cattle' with the requisite skills to avoid having to carry dead wood in games.

So, I'll put it back on the coaches...
Either,
- they're Not MAKING players work to the plan
or
- there IS NO @#$%&! PLAN
(not a Good one anyway)

Maybe this is why SPS and others don't ike to carry th footy.
They are too scared to deviate from the game plan of kicking down the boundary.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:32 am 
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Touche.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:15 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
CC1961 wrote:
london blue wrote:

Ha ha - coaches are over rated. These kids know how to play. Take responsibility on the ground for moving it quickly, disposing of it poorly, pushing to space, tackling.

I agree with your sentiments about player's on ground responsibility, but then that's where the coaching issue steps back in...

If the player isn't meeting standards then he surely isn't still in the team to keep repeating them, is he?

Coaches (should) jump in, work on the errant behaviour, if successful - well and good; if not player is dropped right?

So on-field success is a mix of the two.
If the player doesn't 'remediate' he doesn't get back in or stay in, surely?

I believe we have enough 'good cattle' with the requisite skills to avoid having to carry dead wood in games.

So, I'll put it back on the coaches...
Either,
- they're Not MAKING players work to the plan
or
- there IS NO @#$%&! PLAN
(not a Good one anyway)

Maybe this is why SPS and others don't ike to carry th footy.
They are too scared to deviate from the game plan of kicking down the boundary.


Every team does it. Its a rugby thingy. Its rugby I tell you.
To win the Hearts and Minds of the Rugby states.

I wish the VFA was still on, on Sundays.
16 a side.
Australian Rules rules: everyone knew the rules.
Tough.
No mawls.
No line outs

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:21 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Every team does it. Its a rugby thingy. Its rugby I tell you.
To win the Hearts and Minds of the Rugby states.

I wish the VFA was still on, on Sundays.
16 a side.
Australian Rules rules: everyone knew the rules.
Tough.
No mawls.
No line outs

Yeah, those missing wingmen certainly meant very little congested down the boundary line stuff.

Personally, I miss VFL:
Saturdays.
6 games all done by 4.45pm
A little kid could listen to the radio, write down the scores, then practice his long division and proudly show Dad the latest Ladder by dinner time...

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:57 am 
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CC1961 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Every team does it. Its a rugby thingy. Its rugby I tell you.
To win the Hearts and Minds of the Rugby states.

I wish the VFA was still on, on Sundays.
16 a side.
Australian Rules rules: everyone knew the rules.
Tough.
No mawls.
No line outs

Yeah, those missing wingmen certainly meant very little congested down the boundary line stuff.

Personally, I miss VFL:
Saturdays.
6 games all done by 4.45pm
A little kid could listen to the radio, write down the scores, then practice his long division and proudly show Dad the latest Ladder by dinner time...

Or not.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:42 am 
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You know this team has the talent. You are not in the top 3 for quarters won if you haven't got the cattle.
When you take out the worst quarters we are undefeated on top of the ladder.
So how do you stop these blow out quarters.
If you can answer that question you can fix the Pommy cricket team.
For years it has been known that they are one good ball away from a total collapse.
They go from 1 for 120 to all out for 155 on a all to regular basis.
We are the Pommies of the AFL. We have mastered the art of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
We might beat up on the Bangladesh or have strong home ground form. But the moment the pressure is put on and they need to stand up they collapse.
Poms haven't fixed it since Bradman was playing.
No idea how Blues fix it.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:23 pm 
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Probably simply the players inability to execute the game plan. Surely this just reflects the immaturity of a young side.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:15 pm 
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Quarter's won ? that would be a bullshit stat of the highest order wouldn't it ? you either win or you don't.The Melbourne Cup is two miles.They don't pay at the clock tower.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:46 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
You know this team has the talent. You are not in the top 3 for quarters won if you haven't got the cattle.
When you take out the worst quarters we are undefeated on top of the ladder.
So how do you stop these blow out quarters.
If you can answer that question you can fix the Pommy cricket team.
For years it has been known that they are one good ball away from a total collapse.
They go from 1 for 120 to all out for 155 on a all to regular basis.
We are the Pommies of the AFL. We have mastered the art of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
We might beat up on the Bangladesh or have strong home ground form. But the moment the pressure is put on and they need to stand up they collapse.
Poms haven't fixed it since Bradman was playing.
No idea how Blues fix it.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:10 am 
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If all teams took out their worst quarters are we still on top?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:46 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
If all teams took out their worst quarters are we still on top?

Come on CC. You can do this!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:51 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
If all teams took out their worst quarters are we still on top?

Not quite sure what he means...

Can you elaborate please mate?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:19 pm 
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We are ranked No 1 for clangers and ranked No 18 for disposal efficiency.
Here in lies the biggest problem. We cough the ball up to much.



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:27 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
We are ranked No 1 for clangers and ranked No 18 for disposal efficiency.
Here in lies the biggest problem. We cough the ball up to much.



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Ouch!!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:27 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
We are ranked No 1 for clangers and ranked No 18 for disposal efficiency.
Here in lies the biggest problem. We cough the ball up to much.

Well spotted SB.
Tragic really.

Pre-season should be about Basic Skills for starters eh?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:55 pm 
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Unfortunately we currently play a one dimensional game style that leaves our defence exposed. I posted a while ago (6 weeks?) that we were in the 8 or contending yet we had conceded the second most points.
Teague likes to stretch the ground and to retain forwards deep which creates space but it also makes us predictable and exploitable when the opposition win it back. We play an almost exclusive front half game but you need more than that to prevent the opposition settling in to a defensive system.
Perhaps the training restrictions this year have prevented the ability to diversify but we need to mix it up and get offensive run from our back half as well. Some posters have bemoaned our lack of run from defence. Well, that's the reason why. We don't compress the ground enough in defence so when we bring the ball out, it's either chip kicks or Hail Marys to the contest. 18th in the AFL for uncontested possessions and 17th for handballs. Ask yourself how many goals we've got out the back this year. Very few. Some times you need to get players up the ground, compress the defence and bring the ball out with run. It's great that Teague has a preferred system to play the game but we need more next season.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:55 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Unfortunately we currently play a one dimensional game style that leaves our defence exposed. I posted a while ago (6 weeks?) that we were in the 8 or contending yet we had conceded the second most points.
Teague likes to stretch the ground and to retain forwards deep which creates space but it also makes us predictable and exploitable when the opposition win it back. We play an almost exclusive front half game but you need more than that to prevent the opposition settling in to a defensive system.
Perhaps the training restrictions this year have prevented the ability to diversify but we need to mix it up and get offensive run from our back half as well. Some posters have bemoaned our lack of run from defence. Well, that's the reason why. We don't compress the ground enough in defence so when we bring the ball out, it's either chip kicks or Hail Marys to the contest.
18th in the AFL for uncontested possessions and 17th for handballs.
Ask yourself how many goals we've got out the back this year. Very few. Some times you need to get players up the ground, compress the defence and bring the ball out with run. It's great that Teague has a preferred system to play the game but we need more next season.


Good points BlueVain.

Also, with regard to defence - in the games I went to I noticed that as the ball rebounded, our defenders...
- were frequently caught out of position
- Didn't run hard enough

They just didn't seemed 'mentally switched on' about what the opposition were doing once they broke our lines.
Our centre clearances would also fall apart completely for periods which was a big factor in all those 4-5 goal opposition sequences.

Anyway, some tidy-up on stats...

Our Goal-efficiency climbed off the bottom only in the last round due to the bottom 3 teams having 'worse-even-than-Carlton' shockers in the final round:

North 4 goals from 43 Inside 50s (18.6% for year)
Adelaide 4 fm 34 (18.9%)
Sydney 9 fm 47 (19.1%)
Carlton 10 fm 37 (19.4%)

Also the final 'Quarters Won' count had a log jam for 4th with several teams catching up to Carlton:

42- Port, Gee
40 - Brisbane
39 - Carlton, St.Kilda, Richmond, Bulldogs

...just look at the company we keep - All playing finals.

Our contested possessions were 5th but, as Blue Vain pointed out, the 18th rank for Uncontested and 17th for handballs dragged the total down so that we were also 18th for TOTAL Disposals.

Inside 50s stayed 4th and that just leads us back to the crap goal-efficiency figure and all the discussion here as to how they were Wasted with our shit forward setup and lousy delivery from mids.

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