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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:17 am 
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The run past handball is great if you have someone down field to give it to.
Usually our forwards are too high to take advantage of a runner who breaks the lines.
It's also why we don't have forwards leading up at the ball carrier. Our forwards are usually running back from the HBF where they have tried to choke the opposition into a turnover. How often did we see Weitering have to stop instead of playing on tonight? How often does SPS have to go sideways instead of long down the middle? It's because we have no deep forwards. If you want to see what Harry could look like, watch Geelong's forward setup with Hawkins one out leading from the goalsquare. It's kid stuff.
Harry could do the same with one small forward at his feet or even a medium one.
He or someone else should be stationed deep in attack and lead out at the ball carrier. It would completely change out F50 entries, which at the moment are diabolical and why we need fifty of then to score 5 goals. One on one, there would be few FBs who could go with Harry so why not play like that? Open up the forward line with him and a small forward deep and the rest can go as far forward as they like. It would force the opposition to change their defensive structure. Harry or Levi one out in the square is a no brainer to me. He leads out and the mids run inside 50 with the footy and give it to him. The BP has to decide to go and make it a two on one contest or stay and mind the FP who stays deep. Or the FP leads out and if the BP follows him, the pass goes long to the small option out the back. To cater for the 6-6-6, the other four stand just inside the F50 and only go deeper if we get the clearance. The flankers start wide and run towards the goal posts at 45 degrees, leaving the spot in front of goals open for Harry to lead into. That gives the mids three passing options, depending on which side the clearance comes from.

I once devised a plan in a water polo game against a team we hadn't beaten for a few years. It was risky and depended on them playing a conventional umbrella attack and us forcing them to shoot from a bit further out by forming a four man diamond defence. We kept one player on half way, which in those days was as far as the goalie was allowed to pass the ball, and one further forward but not so the opposition goalie could man him up and risk the long shot from half way.
We had four goals on the board before they realised what was going on.

The moral of the story is that being predictable such as we are makes it easy for opposition teams to defend and attack. Opening up the forward options forces the opposition to change their defensive strategy or die.


I :clap: this.

It can be fixed.

We are not that far away.

Maybe if Gov did something too might help, instead of creating congestion.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:18 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
CC1961 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
The run past handball is great if you have someone down field to give it to.
Usually our forwards are too high to take advantage of a runner who breaks the lines.
It's also why we don't have forwards leading up at the ball carrier. Our forwards are usually running back from the HBF where they have tried to choke the opposition into a turnover. How often did we see Weitering have to stop instead of playing on tonight? How often does SPS have to go sideways instead of long down the middle? It's because we have no deep forwards. If you want to see what Harry could look like, watch Geelong's forward setup with Hawkins one out leading from the goalsquare. It's kid stuff.
Harry could do the same with one small forward at his feet or even a medium one.
He or someone else should be stationed deep in attack and lead out at the ball carrier. It would completely change out F50 entries,
which at the moment are diabolical and why we need fifty of then to score 5 goals. One on one, there would be few FBs who could go with Harry so why not play like that? Open up the forward line with him and a small forward deep and the rest can go as far forward as they like. It would force the opposition to change their defensive structure. Harry or Levi one out in the square is a no brainer to me. He leads out and the mids run inside 50 with the footy and give it to him. The BP has to decide to go and make it a two on one contest or stay and mind the FP who stays deep. Or the FP leads out and if the BP follows him, the pass goes long to the small option out the back. To cater for the 6-6-6, the other four stand just inside the F50 and only go deeper if we get the clearance. The flankers start wide and run towards the goal posts at 45 degrees, leaving the spot in front of goals open for Harry to lead into. That gives the mids three passing options, depending on which side the clearance comes from.

I once devised a plan in a water polo game against a team we hadn't beaten for a few years. It was risky and depended on them playing a conventional umbrella attack and us forcing them to shoot from a bit further out by forming a four man diamond defence. We kept one player on half way, which in those days was as far as the goalie was allowed to pass the ball, and one further forward but not so the opposition goalie could man him up and risk the long shot from half way.
We had four goals on the board before they realised what was going on.

The moral of the story is that being predictable such as we are makes it easy for opposition teams to defend and attack. Opening up the forward options forces the opposition to change their defensive strategy or die.


I agree wholeheartedly my Gulf friend.

In this previous thread...
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=36989&hilit=degree&start=194

I wrote this...
Forwards competing for overhead marks just doesn't cut it.
How sick and tired do you get watching Hawkins, Lynch, Riewoldt, Kennedy, Darling running hard out on a lead for a straight forward chest mark??!!
Here's a recipe for success:
Casboult, McKay, McGovern all stand in the goal square at ALL times and when the ball appears over half way they ALL start running in Different directions - one straight forward, the others in opposite 45 degree directions.
THEN our maligned mids can drill it low onto the clearest looking chest at an achievable range of only 30-35 m out and Not on tight angles near the boundary.
yes- it means practice practice practice; but if they put in the effort and the coaching staff reinforce it we Win Every Game.
When those circumstances aren't created on other forward entries, then slam it over the top toward goal so an Eddie can run onto it and score.


Any decent combination of what we've both written would be 200% better than what we've got now.

Great Minds Think Alike, non?

Pair of freaking geniuses.


Have to agree :thanks:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:40 pm 
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Hopefully we can get sessions over the preseason where all can train together. At the moment we can't train on the connect between the mids and forwards. Only training with 8 at a time right now hurts us at our stage of development. We've done well to be in finals contention considering.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:45 pm 
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Surely their splitting them up into 4 mids / 4 forwards for some drills?

Just asking

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:55 pm 
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Is anyone sending these coaching tips to the coaching staff?

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jim wrote:
Hopefully we can get sessions over the preseason where all can train together. At the moment we can't train on the connect between the mids and forwards. Only training with 8 at a time right now hurts us at our stage of development. We've done well to be in finals contention considering.

Good point

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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Is anyone sending these coaching tips to the coaching staff?

Get your tongue out of your cheek, Ted.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:46 am 
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Re Harry, keep your feet, stop going to ground.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:04 am 
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Re Harry, keep your feet, stop going to ground.

It's been part of the Carlton gameplan for 10+ years to go to ground whenever and wherever possible - it's called the Waite Manouver


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:38 am 
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Hey @Blue Sombrero - When it comes to us setting up in the forward line, you must have a live cam in our lounge room or sit near us at the games. I don't know how many times I scream at the setups, when we have 3 KP forwards yet, have a small setup in the square and our big fellas further out towards the 50!!! It's insane. There is absolutely no reason for us to not have one KP deep forward at all times. The very reason i love watching Geelong or WC play!!!!


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Hey @Blue Sombrero - When it comes to us setting up in the forward line, you must have a live cam in our lounge room or sit near us at the games. I don't know how many times I scream at the setups, when we have 3 KP forwards yet, have a small setup in the square and our big fellas further out towards the 50!!! It's insane. There is absolutely no reason for us to not have one KP deep forward at all times. The very reason i love watching Geelong or WC play!!!!

Check your bedroom as well. :razz:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:33 am 
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Hey @Blue Sombrero - When it comes to us setting up in the forward line, you must have a live cam in our lounge room or sit near us at the games. I don't know how many times I scream at the setups, when we have 3 KP forwards yet, have a small setup in the square and our big fellas further out towards the 50!!! It's insane. There is absolutely no reason for us to not have one KP deep forward at all times. The very reason i love watching Geelong or WC play!!!!



I like Blue Somreros observations. Straight to th point but well explained.

Your point re Geelomg and WCE

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bondiblue wrote:
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Hey @Blue Sombrero - When it comes to us setting up in the forward line, you must have a live cam in our lounge room or sit near us at the games. I don't know how many times I scream at the setups, when we have 3 KP forwards yet, have a small setup in the square and our big fellas further out towards the 50!!! It's insane. There is absolutely no reason for us to not have one KP deep forward at all times. The very reason i love watching Geelong or WC play!!!!



I like Blue Somreros observations. Straight to th point but well explained.

Your point re Geelomg and WCE


I'd add Richmond to that.
As much as I hate Richmond, how often do you see Dustin Martin size up the play and then bolt back into the goal square completely on his own and almost immediately convert a successful delivery into another goal.

Makes me sick, but you have to admire it.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:31 pm 
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CC1961 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Hey @Blue Sombrero - When it comes to us setting up in the forward line, you must have a live cam in our lounge room or sit near us at the games. I don't know how many times I scream at the setups, when we have 3 KP forwards yet, have a small setup in the square and our big fellas further out towards the 50!!! It's insane. There is absolutely no reason for us to not have one KP deep forward at all times. The very reason i love watching Geelong or WC play!!!!



I like Blue Somreros observations. Straight to th point but well explained.

Your point re Geelomg and WCE


I'd add Richmond to that.
As much as I hate Richmond, how often do you see Dustin Martin size up the play and then bolt back into the goal square completely on his own and almost immediately convert a successful delivery into another goal.

Makes me sick, but you have to admire it.


Like you, people of your vintage still haven't gotten over '73.

I was glad to see them punished between '82 and '16.

I still want Balme remembered as the biggest red necked thug in the Fooy community, and mal Brown not far behind.
You ng richmond fans have no idea what a bad bunch of thugs they were...worsr than today

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:58 pm 
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Couldn't agree more BondiBlue.

You picked out the two biggest mongrels possible.
I was at that game - '73 GF.
Disgusting.
Remember as clear as day Balme walking over and kicking Geoff Southby right in the head whilst he was lying prone in the goalsquare.

Afterwards on the way home we almost reached a 'family' decision to never go to the football again.

Actually, the next generation was as bad:
about 10 years ago at Princes Park I got kinghit from behind whilst in my seat in front of the Elliot Stand by a moronic teenage Richmond THUG.
Only time in 50 years I ever had trouble at the footy.

Thankyou Richmond FC - you breed mongrels and dogs and recruit them as well.

Anyway, having said all that and being very very conscious of the total irony
- I was just going to post about how worthwhile it will be for us all to watch the Geelong v Richmond game tonight!

Ha.
Well, as I've written previously I believe they are the exemplars as to how to get the ball into the forward 50 and score from it, so it will be interesting to see them up against each other.

I hope the Carlton coaching staff (and our forwards and mids) are watching.

I'll be over here....

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36856&start=540

...for midgame comment.

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When are you going to be on the Carlton coaching staff CC1961? :thumbsup:

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CFC8795 wrote:
When are you going to be on the Carlton coaching staff CC1961? :thumbsup:

You know what?

They SHOULD allow a TC delegation in occasionally.

a lot of experienced extra eyes here.

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Yes, one of us should be on the Board of Directors.
I’ll nominate you :thumbsup:

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I'll lean on Groucho Marx here:

"I wouldn't want to be on a board that would want me on a board"

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Blue Sombrero wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Hey @Blue Sombrero - When it comes to us setting up in the forward line, you must have a live cam in our lounge room or sit near us at the games. I don't know how many times I scream at the setups, when we have 3 KP forwards yet, have a small setup in the square and our big fellas further out towards the 50!!! It's insane. There is absolutely no reason for us to not have one KP deep forward at all times. The very reason i love watching Geelong or WC play!!!!

Check your bedroom as well. :razz:


Too true. I do watch the footy in there as well. :lol:


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