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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:02 pm 
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I'll lean on Groucho Marx here:

"I wouldn't want to be on a board that would want me on a board"

:lol: :lol: :lol:



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:42 pm 
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Hey @Blue Sombrero - When it comes to us setting up in the forward line, you must have a live cam in our lounge room or sit near us at the games. I don't know how many times I scream at the setups, when we have 3 KP forwards yet, have a small setup in the square and our big fellas further out towards the 50!!! It's insane. There is absolutely no reason for us to not have one KP deep forward at all times. The very reason i love watching Geelong or WC play!!!!

Check your bedroom as well. :razz:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:45 pm 
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about 10 years ago at Princes Park I got kinghit from behind whilst in my seat in front of the Elliot Stand by a moronic teenage Richmond THUG.



What game?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:01 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
CC1961 wrote:
about 10 years ago at Princes Park I got kinghit from behind whilst in my seat in front of the Elliot Stand by a moronic teenage Richmond THUG.



What game?

Shit - you're right.

I must be getting old... :?

Had to ring my sister.

Bloody 23 years ago!
Apparently the last time we ever played them there R22, 1997.
To add salt to my wound after leading all day we got rolled by 2 points.

Well, it Felt more recent.

The arsehole who hit me has probably bred his own next generation of Richmond THUGS by now!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:14 pm 
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So it was 10 years ago...

.. then suddenly it was more than double that. Just a lousy 13 years out.

How seriously should we take the stuff you post in the COVID thread? Asking for someone other than myself, since I know the answer.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:53 pm 
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CC1961 wrote:
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about 10 years ago at Princes Park I got kinghit from behind whilst in my seat in front of the Elliot Stand by a moronic teenage Richmond THUG.



What game?

Shit - you're right.

I must be getting old... :?

Had to ring my sister.

Bloody 23 years ago!
Apparently the last time we ever played them there R22, 1997.
To add salt to my wound after leading all day we got rolled by 2 points.

Well, it Felt more recent.

The arsehole who hit me has probably bred his own next generation of Richmond THUGS by now!


One of my worst days at the footy, ever! Funnily enough it got a mention on one of the footy shows just this week.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:20 pm 
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One of my worst days at the footy, ever! Funnily enough it got a mention on one of the footy shows just this week.


Seriously? You were there too?
wow.

What was the context of the footy show mention?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:52 pm 
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They were talking about jeff gieschen...he was caretaker coach at the time

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Last 5 weeks ladder...

Look at our shit 'For' score - 48 pts /game.
If defence wasn't top 3 we'd be cooked.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:08 pm 
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CC1961 wrote:
Last 5 weeks ladder...

Look at our shit 'For' score - 48 pts /game.
If defence wasn't top 3 we'd be cooked.


Defence in young teams is the hardest thing to get right.
Im happier now after seeing that thanks for the info.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:11 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
CC1961 wrote:
Last 5 weeks ladder...

Look at our shit 'For' score - 48 pts /game.
If defence wasn't top 3 we'd be cooked.


Defence in young teams is the hardest thing to get right.
Im happier now after seeing that thanks for the info.

Yeah, a settled back 6 has always been the hallmark of Carlton Premiership teams.

Augurs well.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:26 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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The run past handball is great if you have someone down field to give it to.
Usually our forwards are too high to take advantage of a runner who breaks the lines.
It's also why we don't have forwards leading up at the ball carrier. Our forwards are usually running back from the HBF where they have tried to choke the opposition into a turnover. How often did we see Weitering have to stop instead of playing on tonight? How often does SPS have to go sideways instead of long down the middle? It's because we have no deep forwards. If you want to see what Harry could look like, watch Geelong's forward setup with Hawkins one out leading from the goalsquare. It's kid stuff.
Harry could do the same with one small forward at his feet or even a medium one.
He or someone else should be stationed deep in attack and lead out at the ball carrier. It would completely change out F50 entries,
which at the moment are diabolical and why we need fifty of then to score 5 goals. One on one, there would be few FBs who could go with Harry so why not play like that? Open up the forward line with him and a small forward deep and the rest can go as far forward as they like. It would force the opposition to change their defensive structure. Harry or Levi one out in the square is a no brainer to me. He leads out and the mids run inside 50 with the footy and give it to him. The BP has to decide to go and make it a two on one contest or stay and mind the FP who stays deep. Or the FP leads out and if the BP follows him, the pass goes long to the small option out the back. To cater for the 6-6-6, the other four stand just inside the F50 and only go deeper if we get the clearance. The flankers start wide and run towards the goal posts at 45 degrees, leaving the spot in front of goals open for Harry to lead into. That gives the mids three passing options, depending on which side the clearance comes from.

I once devised a plan in a water polo game against a team we hadn't beaten for a few years. It was risky and depended on them playing a conventional umbrella attack and us forcing them to shoot from a bit further out by forming a four man diamond defence. We kept one player on half way, which in those days was as far as the goalie was allowed to pass the ball, and one further forward but not so the opposition goalie could man him up and risk the long shot from half way.
We had four goals on the board before they realised what was going on.

The moral of the story is that being predictable such as we are makes it easy for opposition teams to defend and attack. Opening up the forward options forces the opposition to change their defensive strategy or die.


I agree wholeheartedly my Gulf friend.

In this previous thread...
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I wrote this...
Forwards competing for overhead marks just doesn't cut it.
How sick and tired do you get watching Hawkins, Lynch, Riewoldt, Kennedy, Darling running hard out on a lead for a straight forward chest mark??!!
Here's a recipe for success:
Casboult, McKay, McGovern all stand in the goal square at ALL times and when the ball appears over half way they ALL start running in Different directions - one straight forward, the others in opposite 45 degree directions.
THEN our maligned mids can drill it low onto the clearest looking chest at an achievable range of only 30-35 m out and Not on tight angles near the boundary.
yes- it means practice practice practice; but if they put in the effort and the coaching staff reinforce it we Win Every Game.
When those circumstances aren't created on other forward entries, then slam it over the top toward goal so an Eddie can run onto it and score.


Any decent combination of what we've both written would be 200% better than what we've got now.

Great Minds Think Alike, non?

Pair of freaking geniuses.


Have to agree :thanks:


Every single point CC and I raised in those two posts regarding Harry was highlighted in the second half against Adelaide.
He scored three goals from one on one contests deep in the F50 by leading out twice inside the 45 degree arcs and in one case leading back inside it from 35 out. Three marks within 15 metres of goal one on one direct in front.
Not rocket science with a monster like Harry. I have been critical of his attitude and his shit set shot routine but if he is allowed or told to stay close to goal, nobody in the comp will be able to go with him in the air. Teagu repeatedly says,
"We want our tall forwards to make a contest of it and at least bring the ball to ground for the smaller players."
Why not,
"We want our tall forwards one out deep in the F50 so they can mark the ball all day and if they don't, the small forwards can run on to it and mop up."

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 10:14 pm 
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No, my Mexican friend - not rocket surgery either.

He needs space to operate in and they all clump together like scared school girls going in to the dark woods.
Just way too congested all the time.

I don't think Carlton knows what "playing to the fat side" means - it's been missing ALL year bar brief moments.

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Collingwood and Cox.
All of a sudden they are isolating him and he is marking the footy and getting goals and score involvements.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:50 pm 
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we are to SLOW simple especially in the midfield and defence ,how many times you see our players get outnumbered by opposition ,dont run hard enough to help and support.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:26 pm 
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Year......Avg. loss..Worst loss
2020......16.4...........31
2019 .....28.5...........93
2018 .....48.8..........109
2017......32.4...........90
2016......34.9...........71
2015......51.6.........138

Avg. loss = average losing margin

Sign of improvement?

or

Symptom of shorter matches?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:40 pm 
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CC1961 wrote:
Year......Avg. loss..Worst loss
2020......16.4...........31
2019 .....28.5...........93
2018 .....48.8..........109
2017......32.4...........90
2016......34.9...........71
2015......51.6.........138

Avg. loss = average losing margin

Sign of improvement?

or

Symptom of shorter matches?


It may well be.

Interesting fact earlier on in this season was that the Top 8 Teams scored most of their goals in red time last year.
Cameron from GWS scored 60% of his goals in red time last year.

Something in that shortened game.

If there was more time we would have belted Dees, may have got over Saints easily beaten WCE

On the flipside... may have lost some we won...Cats for sure, Freo maybe, pobably North

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Difference between those years and this year in my book...We’re closer AND we have plenty of room for improvement.

9 wins from 17 would have been a good result and just outside the 8.

Beginning of the year i would have taken 8 as a pass

I make out most of the hysteria and disappointment wouldn’t be there if we were currently on 8 or 9 games after 16 games. Wouldn’t be for me at least.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:26 pm 
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Difference between those years and this year in my book...We’re closer AND we have plenty of room for improvement.

9 wins from 17 would have been a good result and just outside the 8.

Beginning of the year i would have taken 8 as a pass

I make out most of the hysteria and disappointment wouldn’t be there if we were currently on 8 or 9 games after 16 games. Wouldn’t be for me at least.


That's because you aren't the hysterical type.

Now, put that oxygen mask back on, and see if you can get 'off' on the oxygen. :yikes:

I want Finals. A better coach would have got us there. That's just a guess

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:27 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Collingwood and Cox.
All of a sudden they are isolating him and he is marking the footy and getting goals and score involvements.


That's a good idea.

Why not try that with harry?
You should have thought about that one BS. Too slow in your old age :wink:

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