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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:00 pm 
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So we're all taking it well then...

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:01 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
So we're all taking it well then...



do we ever not? :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:01 pm 
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Beijing Blue wrote:
Effes wrote:
Walsh wrote:
This is a young team that needs more experience in finals like games until they're mentally hardened... Collingwood outfit are veterans.


Carlton 109.5 ave games
Collingwood 94.9

Carlton 9 less than 50, Collingwood 7
Carlton 5 players more than 150 games, Colingwood 3

Carlton 26y, Collingwood 26y



The lack of leadership is an indictment of these senior players.

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Hasn’t been any real leadership for 20 years. A few guys here and there but can never find a core group of 7-8 players who will not accept losing and ensure that the others on the list will not accept losing. A lot of laughing with opponents after the game. Where were the leaders to huddle up the players and give it to them? Let them know that second half was unacceptable. I didn’t see it. I haven’t seen it much in 20 years.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:03 pm 
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The_Cranium wrote:
So we're all taking it well then...
Haha, yes. Not many that handle defeat well. If your kid handled it the same way you'd kick him up the arse...lol.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:13 pm 
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Game changed when PLOWMAN took a kick in from a point straight to a Collingwood
player which resulted in a goal plowman is a liability as is Williamson

Happy to be corrected but I think that was Docherty :sad:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:14 pm 
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It all starts with the ‘positive reinforcement’ mentality.
Sometimes you need to call a spade a spade.
We are as soft as butter and Sh1t the bed when the going gets tough or the spot light is turned up.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:15 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
Playing 2 ruckmen is playing 1 short.

We need one of Charlie or McGovern back and Pittonet out


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Agree, Casboult to assist either TDK or Pittonet, will struggle against top teams playing McKay, Casboult, Pittonet and TDK in the same team. Need more run against the top teams.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:16 pm 
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CFC8795 wrote:
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Game changed when PLOWMAN took a kick in from a point straight to a Collingwood
player which resulted in a goal plowman is a liability as is Williamson

Happy to be corrected but I think that was Docherty :sad:



Plowman in the third quarter


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:16 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
Couldn't believe how 'tired' Pittonet looked, even though he got to share the ruck duties with De Koning.



...and for those who think we don't need 2 rucks ... Pitto just ... didn't have what it takes to compete once ball was out of centre square.

But I don't want to single out players with the obvious.

I want to read on about some posters' heroes... :lol: :lol: :lol:

and you know what? its not a laughing matter.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:21 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Can’t keeping backing the players after that last qtr effort.

Beat us on the Contested ball and pressure acts.

And we lack zip on the outside


Without naming names ... that's what happened.

Who was contesting? or not well enough?

Who doesn't give us zip on the outside.

We have the cattle ... but if we keep looking for the old stagers to do it...and not playing for frees ...

We have come a long way.

Its time for a changing of the guard in 2021

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:23 pm 
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Today's game showed we are still a fair way off it.

Don't know who our forward line coach is but we don't have the right cattle for banging it to the top of the square when it is 3 v 6.

To those bagging SPS, look what happens with no run from half back. (PS if Polson is ever in our best 22 we are stuffed).

Poor team balance from the match committee. No pace from half back, too many exposed talls, no inside mid power.

My big concern is we have given up on the rebuild and haven't held our nerve. Its easy to play the older bodies and manufacture a few extra wins. Yes there has been progress, but is it meaningful progress towards winning a flag or are we playing to battle it out for the 8 for the next 5 years...

Get the cheque book out, we are still 7 or 8 players short.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:24 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Playing 2 ruckmen is playing 1 short.

We need one of Charlie or McGovern back and Pittonet out


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Agree, said during the week this would be the reason if we lost.
With our lack of midfield depth we can't afford 2 rucks. Add to this that cas plays better when he gets a run as second ruck.

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Without the 2 rucks we could have lost by ... alot more

have a look at how much Pitto was labouring against Grundy...that's after a 9 day break

The rucks had nothing to do with the failure of those on the floor.

Need to have a hard look at the demarcation line: rucks/mids.

You can't blame the mids failure at the contested ball on the rucks. Why would you?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:25 pm 
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Like clockwork - our season's over for the start of the Tour de France.

Only that's usually first week of July :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:26 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Walsh wrote:
This is a young team that needs more experience in finals like games until they're mentally hardened... Collingwood outfit are veterans.


Carlton 109.5 ave games
Collingwood 94.9

Carlton 9 less than 50, Collingwood 7
Carlton 5 players more than 150 games, Colingwood 3

Carlton 26y, Collingwood 26y


Im referring to the amount of finals games played and finals like games back end of season when teams are in top 8 pushing for top 4 or staying alive.

This is probably our first since 2013. Im quite confident this collingwood outfit has more experience playing in that environment than our lot.. How many elimination finals did Richmond lose before winning a flag... we got the list just need more experience in playing in these types of games. Brisbane folded badly in finals last year for example.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:27 pm 
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jim wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
It was like everybody was waiting for someone else to do it...........just waiting and waiting.Until we find bloke who WANT it we are going nowhere.Cant believe i have been so delusional.Up till today i actually believed.More false hope,another false dawn.Got suckered in to fools gold,AGAIN....................sorry,but its another rebuild,AGAIN.


Nothing delusional. A side that's come from the worst rabble imaginable to suddenly playing for a finals spot in 12 months. All they did was shit the bed in their biggest game in years. Part of development. We weren't going from bottom to top 4 in that time. We might win 8 or 9, which is probably more than many expected. Just not ready for the big time yet. Hardwick took 7 years to make Richmond a champion side.


I like youre thinking jim

We still need to identify where the weaknesses are ... coz if we dont fix those for next year and beyong...de ja vu

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:29 pm 
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jim wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing, but Kennedy for a ruckman today would have been wise


Yes, and likely Levi would've played better too getting a run on the ball. His form slump has come since we played two rucks. His more a forward/ruck than a full time forward.


Yeah Nayh yeah

The 21yo De Koning showed them all up today.

Casboult and Pitto may not be the future; that's all

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:30 pm 
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Pros: it was a blazing sunny day and someone had some sunscreen so I didn’t get burnt

Cons: everything else, absolutely shat the bed

Not sure why we @#$%&! bother sometimes, this team will be the death of me :sad:

Before the game during warm up they showed highlights of the 1970 GF on the big screen - The 50th anniversary of beating the Filth. If that didn’t get them fired up, nothing will. But yeah nah yeah, laugh it up with your opponents after the game who just handed your butts to you carved on a platter and go back to the hub to play cards and make Tik Tok videos :banghead:

Dreading going down to Metricon on Thursday night, GWS are awake now and will absolutely slap us if/when we put on a shitful display like that again :yikes:


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:31 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
Whipping boys let us down - but we keep picking them and putting some of them on three year contracts.


Who are the whipping boys

If there are some, can their fans tell us who they are, and what they did right today?

I'm not entering the black hole of discussion on this one...regardless on how obvious the problem is/ was/ will continue to be in 2021

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:31 pm 
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Yes but also lack of hunger a big contribution as well
last quarter was anyone’s at the start of the quarter didn’t want it enough
Pies did simple and we didn’t
Don’t get the loser mentality but ingrained over 20 years and need to address the issue


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:33 pm 
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Stranger wrote:
CFC8795 wrote:
Stranger wrote:
Game changed when PLOWMAN took a kick in from a point straight to a Collingwood
player which resulted in a goal plowman is a liability as is Williamson

Happy to be corrected but I think that was Docherty :sad:



Plowman in the third quarter


Docherty in the first

same same

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