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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:03 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
Senior players who were poor:
Murphy
Cripps
Docherty
Plowman
Casboult
Martin

Senior players who stood up:
Curnow
Weitering
Newnes
Betts
Jones

Senior players who were just ok:
Simpson

Young players who were poor:
McKay

Young players who were good:
Walsh
Fisher
Setterfield

The rest:
De Koning
Dow
Polson
Gibbons
Pittonet
Williamson

Gibbons and Dow were poor.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:06 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
Senior players who were poor:
Murphy
Cripps
Docherty
Plowman
Casboult
Martin

Senior players who stood up:
Curnow
Weitering
Newnes
Betts
Jones

Senior players who were just ok:
Simpson

Young players who were poor:
McKay

Young players who were good:
Walsh
Fisher
Setterfield

The rest:
De Koning
Dow
Polson
Gibbons
Pittonet
Williamson


You're too tough on De Koning ... back off ... or explain it.

A for the rest ... spot on.... Martin looked tad better and more desperate than all the others on your senior players list imo ... @#$%&! em all.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:07 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
No one has blamed the coach yet, so I will.

No plan B when collingwood obviously had our plan figured out.

Big reason why they eventually got on top.


As an ex-coach said during the week, no coach has a Plan B. What happens is they train their gamestyle but tweaks the Plan A style if required. No coach has time to put in a full Plan B during the pre-season. Just means Plan A wouldn't be as effective.

Basically, our biggest game by far in 7 years and we lost our composure under pressure in the last qtr. That'll be the biggest learning aspect. Should go 8-9, maybe 9-8, which would be a huge step from the days of Bolton. Rome wasn't built in a day.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:09 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Compare Daicos with Dow.

Give Dow more games because I want to know if this guy is the real deal

He seemed to want to get the ball out of his habds asap when he's a line breaker with breakaway speed.

Need to see it before we trade him to Cats. He might just have it but we dont know.
Dow has played more games than Daicos

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He looked lost though.
Didn't take on the game.
Looked to give it off...shouldn't tho

Use your god given talents FFS boy ... you can do it.

Shat their pants. Coaches?


I didn’t think Dow was panicking by giving it off; rather I thought it was a good sign of a player knowing his strengths and his weaknesses.
Strength: winning contested ball. Bursting from stoppages. Dishing off by handball.
Weakness: foot skills. Endurance. ‘Outside’ link up play.

He didn’t show as much burst as I’d like, but I was reasonably happy with him winning some contested ball and looking to feed off by hand.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:10 pm 
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killpies wrote:
Can some teach Cripps to kick at the right goal post. It seems every shot he has fades left for a behind.


How about he just practices to kick it straight.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:13 pm 
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keogh wrote:
As I have said before
As the season concludes you find out where you are at compared to the other 17 teams even in a shortened season
We are an average side . On a good day we are ok but in the long run we are simply average
Plowman very average 3 year deal yeah right panics shit kick
Polson should have been delisted 2 years ago
Murphy plays on next year wrong decision soft footballer when the heats on
Setterfield soft slow average kick second to the ball He ain’t a midfielder cost us 2 picks
Very overrated
Martin is so overrated not just today. Other than the opening game very ordinary this year IMO
Not taking that shot was pathetic
Simpson c u later champ
Casboult in the end a limited player although has got the most out of himself
Pittonet has a crack but is back up at best
Dow looks ordinary no more excuses still has 2 years to go on his contract
McKay so soft
OBrien top 10 pick unsighted this year
Cunningham 3 year deal has impacted in only a couple of games this year
I don’t know what it is but internally we overrate our list judging by the contracts handed out


As I said the AFL is a level playing field
Coaching no more Hird Voss Malthouse appointments
All clubs have good facilities
Soft cap
Salary cap
Drafting
Free agency does advantage better teams but not by much
It comes down to list management and recruiting
We are crap compared to other teams
And yes that includes SOS :wink:
???? you've got issues with SOS. and it seems personal .. too hard to understand if its subliminal. COZ, you mention nothing about development, and it is a weird year

I'd love to back you keogh the way I'm feeling , and during the week you will hear more from me if I don't hear boo from all the apologisers, but some of your points imo are scratching for more megatives, You have plenty but I can't agree with those highlighted.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:14 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Senior players who were poor:
Murphy
Cripps
Docherty
Plowman
Casboult
Martin

Senior players who stood up:
Curnow
Weitering
Newnes
Betts
Jones

Senior players who were just ok:
Simpson

Young players who were poor:
McKay

Young players who were good:
Walsh
Fisher
Setterfield

The rest:
De Koning
Dow
Polson
Gibbons
Pittonet
Williamson


You're too tough on De Koning ... back off ... or explain it.

A for the rest ... spot on.... Martin looked tad better and more desperate than all the others on your senior players list imo ... @#$%&! em all.


Shows a lot of promise. Looks like he’ll be a player for the future. I’m just judging him on today’s performance. 6 disposals, 7 hitouts. Didn’t think he let us down at all, but didn’t think he had a big impact on the game. In contrast, the 3 young guys I classified as good all had genuine impact on the contest.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:15 pm 
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keogh wrote:
We need more mids
The guys who were recruited for those roles have so far not delivered in that area
SPS
O’Brien
Kennedy
Setterfield
Dow
Cuningham
Stocker where is he
Lang
Martin
Polson
These guys are meant to be are midfield that bats deep
When Ed Curnow still stands out as the second best mid like dogs ball it says many things
When Collingwood started to gain ascendancy in the third we had no answer
In terms of the teams list this is where the problem lies




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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:17 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Senior players who were poor:
Murphy
Cripps
Docherty
Plowman
Casboult
Martin

Senior players who stood up:
Curnow
Weitering
Newnes
Betts
Jones

Senior players who were just ok:
Simpson

Young players who were poor:
McKay

Young players who were good:
Walsh
Fisher
Setterfield

The rest:
De Koning
Dow
Polson
Gibbons
Pittonet
Williamson


You're too tough on De Koning ... back off ... or explain it.

A for the rest ... spot on.... Martin looked tad better and more desperate than all the others on your senior players list imo ... @#$%&! em all.


Shows a lot of promise. Looks like he’ll be a player for the future. I’m just judging him on today’s performance. 6 disposals, 7 hitouts. Didn’t think he let us down at all, but didn’t think he had a big impact on the game. In contrast, the 3 young guys I classified as good all had genuine impact on the contest.


If umpires did their job properly, Tom would have been a star today ... bathing in sunshine ... and maybe in glory. Agree to disagree...he was better than Levi and Pitto imo...how old is he again? CompARED TO THE 2 i JUST MENTINED? oops typo...bad luck

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:18 pm 
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bluedog wrote:
keogh wrote:
We need more mids
The guys who were recruited for those roles have so far not delivered in that area
SPS
O’Brien
Kennedy
Setterfield
Dow
Cuningham
Stocker where is he
Lang
Martin
Polson
These guys are meant to be are midfield that bats deep
When Ed Curnow still stands out as the second best mid like dogs ball it says many things
When Collingwood started to gain ascendancy in the third we had no answer
In terms of the teams list this is where the problem lies




Back home (personal reasons)


Mental Health...leave him alone. He looked fantastic in his 4 games in 2019 when he was 19yo and before he got injured.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:19 pm 
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Coach B wrote:
Today's game showed we are still a fair way off it.

Don't know who our forward line coach is but we don't have the right cattle for banging it to the top of the square when it is 3 v 6.

To those bagging SPS, look what happens with no run from half back. (PS if Polson is ever in our best 22 we are stuffed).

Poor team balance from the match committee. No pace from half back, too many exposed talls, no inside mid power.

My big concern is we have given up on the rebuild and haven't held our nerve. Its easy to play the older bodies and manufacture a few extra wins. Yes there has been progress, but is it meaningful progress towards winning a flag or are we playing to battle it out for the 8 for the next 5 years...

Get the cheque book out, we are still 7 or 8 players short.

CB


I would back Polson over SPS for speed any day. So if pace is what you wanted then it was a good selection.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:20 pm 
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I am sooooo :mad:

Might have to go out and enjoy myself.

I will.

Catch you all a bit later ... where are all the apologists tonight?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:21 pm 
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Couldn’t watch the first half. Listened to the third quarter on the radio and watched the last.

I wanted to believe. I really wanted to believe. That was only fueled more when I saw the half time score.

But the second half was what I feared all along. That we would effectively shit the bed in our biggest game in 7 years.

A chance to take a significant step towards finals. To win 3 in a row. To have more wins than losses.

And we kick 4 points in the second half.

The brutal fact is we are pretenders until we prove otherwise.

Bitterly disappointed to say the least.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:23 pm 
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Marchbank
Curnow
Newman
McGovern
Jack ... he could have tagged a mid better than ....


maybe Kreuzer whilst De Koning develops.

Kemp will help


Wiliams and Papley will ... so its looking better for next year.

So, having said that ... possibly 9 changes to tonight's team for next year....that's the ticket

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:24 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Senior players who were poor:
Murphy
Cripps
Docherty
Plowman
Casboult
Martin

Senior players who stood up:
Curnow
Weitering
Newnes
Betts
Jones

Senior players who were just ok:
Simpson

Young players who were poor:
McKay

Young players who were good:
Walsh
Fisher
Setterfield

The rest:
De Koning
Dow
Polson
Gibbons
Pittonet
Williamson


You're too tough on De Koning ... back off ... or explain it.

A for the rest ... spot on.... Martin looked tad better and more desperate than all the others on your senior players list imo ... @#$%&! em all.


Shows a lot of promise. Looks like he’ll be a player for the future. I’m just judging him on today’s performance. 6 disposals, 7 hitouts. Didn’t think he let us down at all, but didn’t think he had a big impact on the game. In contrast, the 3 young guys I classified as good all had genuine impact on the contest.


If umpires did their job properly, Tom would have been a star today ... bathing in sunshine ... and maybe in glory. Agree to disagree...he was better than Levi and Pitto imo...how old is he again? CompARED TO THE 2 i JUST MENTINED? oops typo...bad luck


This is the thing, Bondi, I don’t care how old he is. Could be 18 or 38; makes no difference. I’m just judging on his impact on today’s game.
I thought his game was better than Levi (who I said was poor) and on par with Pittonet’s.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:25 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Coach B wrote:
Today's game showed we are still a fair way off it.

Don't know who our forward line coach is but we don't have the right cattle for banging it to the top of the square when it is 3 v 6.

To those bagging SPS, look what happens with no run from half back. (PS if Polson is ever in our best 22 we are stuffed).

Poor team balance from the match committee. No pace from half back, too many exposed talls, no inside mid power.

My big concern is we have given up on the rebuild and haven't held our nerve. Its easy to play the older bodies and manufacture a few extra wins. Yes there has been progress, but is it meaningful progress towards winning a flag or are we playing to battle it out for the 8 for the next 5 years...

Get the cheque book out, we are still 7 or 8 players short.

CB


I would back Polson over SPS for speed any day. So if pace is what you wanted then it was a good selection.


I thought it was implied that speed from half back required getting the ball first, Polson standing around waiting for an invitation.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:25 pm 
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keogh wrote:
As I have said before
As the season concludes you find out where you are at compared to the other 17 teams even in a shortened season
We are an average side . On a good day we are ok but in the long run we are simply average
Plowman very average 3 year deal yeah right panics shit kick
Polson should have been delisted 2 years ago
Murphy plays on next year wrong decision soft footballer when the heats on
Setterfield soft slow average kick second to the ball He ain’t a midfielder cost us 2 picks
Very overrated
Martin is so overrated not just today. Other than the opening game very ordinary this year IMO
Not taking that shot was pathetic
Simpson c u later champ
Casboult in the end a limited player although has got the most out of himself
Pittonet has a crack but is back up at best
Dow looks ordinary no more excuses still has 2 years to go on his contract
McKay so soft
OBrien top 10 pick unsighted this year
Cunningham 3 year deal has impacted in only a couple of games this year
I don’t know what it is but internally we overrate our list judging by the contracts handed out


As I said the AFL is a level playing field
Coaching no more Hird Voss Malthouse appointments
All clubs have good facilities
Soft cap
Salary cap
Drafting
Free agency does advantage better teams but not by much
It comes down to list management and recruiting
We are crap compared to other teams
And yes that includes SOS :wink:


So why do you bother?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:28 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
bluedog wrote:
keogh wrote:
We need more mids
The guys who were recruited for those roles have so far not delivered in that area
SPS
O’Brien
Kennedy
Setterfield
Dow
Cuningham
Stocker where is he
Lang
Martin
Polson
These guys are meant to be are midfield that bats deep
When Ed Curnow still stands out as the second best mid like dogs ball it says many things
When Collingwood started to gain ascendancy in the third we had no answer
In terms of the teams list this is where the problem lies




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Mental Health...leave him alone. He looked fantastic in his 4 games in 2019 when he was 19yo and before he got injured.


Didn’t know that
Hope he gets better
I have no personal issue with SOS
The facts is he recruited these blokes
The question the List Management and recruiting team has now is How much better do we get compared to the other 17 teams Particularly in terms of the midfield
One thing all posters should do is look at every player from every team and how they were recruited
It’s a real eye opener
That and handing long term contracts to guys who don’t deserve them

As for Stocker his mental well-being is important
Sorry to sound brutal but so is the future of the club
I’m sure there would be a few pissed off people at pieland that Beames is still on the list
How long do you wait till he gets himself right
The club is always bigger than the individual
We gave up a lot to get him


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:33 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
keogh wrote:
As I have said before
As the season concludes you find out where you are at compared to the other 17 teams even in a shortened season
We are an average side . On a good day we are ok but in the long run we are simply average
Plowman very average 3 year deal yeah right panics shit kick
Polson should have been delisted 2 years ago
Murphy plays on next year wrong decision soft footballer when the heats on
Setterfield soft slow average kick second to the ball He ain’t a midfielder cost us 2 picks
Very overrated
Martin is so overrated not just today. Other than the opening game very ordinary this year IMO
Not taking that shot was pathetic
Simpson c u later champ
Casboult in the end a limited player although has got the most out of himself
Pittonet has a crack but is back up at best
Dow looks ordinary no more excuses still has 2 years to go on his contract
McKay so soft
OBrien top 10 pick unsighted this year
Cunningham 3 year deal has impacted in only a couple of games this year
I don’t know what it is but internally we overrate our list judging by the contracts handed out


As I said the AFL is a level playing field
Coaching no more Hird Voss Malthouse appointments
All clubs have good facilities
Soft cap
Salary cap
Drafting
Free agency does advantage better teams but not by much
It comes down to list management and recruiting
We are crap compared to other teams
And yes that includes SOS :wink:


So why do you bother?

You always hope in the end

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