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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:28 pm 
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Hey bg72, nice to see you posting, admittedly in sad circumstances.

I forgot to say the other night, hands down I never heard moshe talk more highly of another poster than he did of you. That was at a birthday I went to a few years ago. It was me, moshe, & Jarusa sitting at a table just talking footy & stuff. Can remember the conversation well.

Hope you're doing OK. :smile:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:58 pm 
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Hey CK
Thanks so much for sharing that.
It means a lot to me.
It was so nice to read Tommi articulate something I felt so strongly...the loss.. tears.
When you only knew someone from online presence.
It helped me understand how you can bond and get the essence of people without physically seeing them.
This one hurts and I feel for those of you who knew him a whole lot better.

Yeah I've stopped posting here for now. Just having a long break. All good on the health front.
I've enjoyed reading these fantastic tributes.

Hope you are doing ok too CK, through this season of global weirdness.

How about that freaking Newnes goal eh?
Now to smash the Pies and toast Moshe!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:16 pm 
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We'll all be thinking of him when the premiership quarter takes flight on Sunday.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:24 pm 
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kingkerna wrote:
We'll all be thinking of him when the premiership quarter takes flight on Sunday.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:45 pm 
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Well done Tommi one of your finest posts and encapsulated beautifully what most of us have been thinking over the last few days .

We have had our scrapes over the last 16 years but this thread confirms to me that I haven’t wasted my time posting ad nauseum over many years in here.

Now let’s barrack hard on Sunday and have our Blueboys spiflicate the Carringbush
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:28 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
...this thread confirms to me that I haven’t wasted my time posting ad nauseum over many years in here.


Nailed it Frank!

Moshe would be humbled. :smile:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:36 am 
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beautiful Tommi and so glad to hear from you.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:53 pm 
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tommi wrote:
You know, I've come into this thread over a dozen times these last three days and each time left writing nothing. Today I have to.

I never met Moshe, but I knew him for 16 years. Some may say how well can you know someone having not met them, let's see, this is how well I know him.

I know he was well read, that didn't take long to work out. Not that long ago I saw a picture of his library, I mean, the man had a library and not just a couple of shelves, I'm pretty sure I saw a ladder on wheels.

I know he loved robust discussion, especially when he was right. When Moshe was right it was a sight to behold, sit back and watch some poor sap receive a lesson.

I've spoken to many people over the last 16 years, who have had the privilege and great pleasure of meeting Moshe, everyone told me what a beautiful human he was and not everyone lies.

There's only one thing Moshe loved more than Carlton and that's his family, I never met Moshe but I knew that family was everything to him.

To his girls and the single most important person in his life, Helene, I offer my sincerest condolences. Moshe will never be forgotten and will forever remain a part of our family here.

I will miss that big smiling face and that warmth that he was able to convey in just a small paragraph.

I never met Moshe but you know what I'm pretty sure I knew him.

Rest In Peace my brother.

P.S. to Pat, my condolences mate, hope you're keeping well and staying strong, take care please.


That's absolutely beautiful, tommi. I think you summed it up perfectly, as you often do.

The lack of dots just adds to the poignancy for mine.

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The only dot necessary is the full stop at the end of the win over the old foe. Get it done lads.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:29 pm 
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
tommi wrote:
You know, I've come into this thread over a dozen times these last three days and each time left writing nothing. Today I have to.

I never met Moshe, but I knew him for 16 years. Some may say how well can you know someone having not met them, let's see, this is how well I know him.

I know he was well read, that didn't take long to work out. Not that long ago I saw a picture of his library, I mean, the man had a library and not just a couple of shelves, I'm pretty sure I saw a ladder on wheels.

I know he loved robust discussion, especially when he was right. When Moshe was right it was a sight to behold, sit back and watch some poor sap receive a lesson.

I've spoken to many people over the last 16 years, who have had the privilege and great pleasure of meeting Moshe, everyone told me what a beautiful human he was and not everyone lies.

There's only one thing Moshe loved more than Carlton and that's his family, I never met Moshe but I knew that family was everything to him.

To his girls and the single most important person in his life, Helene, I offer my sincerest condolences. Moshe will never be forgotten and will forever remain a part of our family here.

I will miss that big smiling face and that warmth that he was able to convey in just a small paragraph.

I never met Moshe but you know what I'm pretty sure I knew him.

Rest In Peace my brother.

P.S. to Pat, my condolences mate, hope you're keeping well and staying strong, take care please.


That's absolutely beautiful, tommi. I think you summed it up perfectly, as you often do.

The lack of dots just adds to the poignancy for mine.



No greater tribute than that.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2020 4:30 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
tommi wrote:
You know, I've come into this thread over a dozen times these last three days and each time left writing nothing. Today I have to.

I never met Moshe, but I knew him for 16 years. Some may say how well can you know someone having not met them, let's see, this is how well I know him.

I know he was well read, that didn't take long to work out. Not that long ago I saw a picture of his library, I mean, the man had a library and not just a couple of shelves, I'm pretty sure I saw a ladder on wheels.

I know he loved robust discussion, especially when he was right. When Moshe was right it was a sight to behold, sit back and watch some poor sap receive a lesson.

I've spoken to many people over the last 16 years, who have had the privilege and great pleasure of meeting Moshe, everyone told me what a beautiful human he was and not everyone lies.

There's only one thing Moshe loved more than Carlton and that's his family, I never met Moshe but I knew that family was everything to him.

To his girls and the single most important person in his life, Helene, I offer my sincerest condolences. Moshe will never be forgotten and will forever remain a part of our family here.

I will miss that big smiling face and that warmth that he was able to convey in just a small paragraph.

I never met Moshe but you know what I'm pretty sure I knew him.

Rest In Peace my brother.

P.S. to Pat, my condolences mate, hope you're keeping well and staying strong, take care please.


That's absolutely beautiful, tommi. I think you summed it up perfectly, as you often do.

The lack of dots just adds to the poignancy for mine.



No greater tribute than that.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:54 pm 
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Might have been mentioned in the post-game thread, but shame we couldn't win today.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:24 pm 
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Missing him heaps today... :cry:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:22 pm 
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Oh boy, this is going to be hard.

I stumbled across this thread yesterday.

Moshe gone!

Floored.

We clashed at times.

But I respected him. I liked him. And I told him so.

A true progressive. Committed, informed and articulate.

I withdrew from the scene earlier this year after I lost my brother to myeloma.

That was hard. So is learning about Moshe .

Rest in Peace my friend.

And now I'm tearing up.

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stubba wrote:
Oh boy, this is going to be hard.

I stumbled across this thread yesterday.

Moshe gone!

Floored.

We clashed at times.

But I respected him. I liked him. And I told him so.

A true progressive. Committed, informed and articulate.

I withdrew from the scene earlier this year after I lost my brother to myeloma.

That was hard. So is learning about Moshe .

Rest in Peace my friend.

And now I'm tearing up.


Hey thanks Stubba.

For all our various conflicts over the years this place is unbelievably special.

Moshe was one of my dearest friends and I miss him enormously every day.

I wish everyone who’s ever been in this place had an opportunity to meet him in person.

He was the real deal.

Sorry about your brother too. :sad:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:05 pm 
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I don’t remember where I was the first time I met Moshe Goldberg.

He would.

I’m also not sure how long it was between the time we became friends online and that first real life meeting.

He’d remember that too.

Moshe had an attention to detail and a memory that is extremely rare.

It was the sort of attention to detail that I suppose you might need if you’re going to earn a PhD in mathematics but is also fairly handy if you’d like to know who had the seventh highest number of possessions in the 1972 VFL grand final.

Moshe and I first crossed paths sometime back in late 2002 or 2003 as our beloved Carlton Football Club imploded and we sought out information and like minds online. Moshe had been living in Dallas, Texas and had recently returned to a Melbourne that had grown substantially and was culturally different to the one he left back in the 1980s. We quickly became friends online and when we finally did meet face to face, wherever that was, it was like catching up with an old mate.

Moshe was always excited by new ideas but also had an incredible respect for the accumulated wisdom of those who came before. In short, he was a fan of expertise and what those with specialised knowledge could tell us about where we’ve been and where we might be headed. It’s fair to say he wasn’t a fan of keyboard warriors who believe a fifteen second Google search is enough to arm themselves in a debate with someone with forty or fifty years of specialized research in a given field.

We bonded over this.

Moshe was very clear about what he knew but he also clearly understood what he didn’t know and would happily defer to those with greater knowledge of a given field.

And then he’d ask them questions.

And more questions.

Because he wanted to know more.

And more.

If I was to sum up our friendship of the last seventeen years I would describe it as one unending conversation encompassing everything from the genius of Father John Misty’s fourth album to the benefits of purple carrots with detours taking in literature, film, art, architecture and…

…and everything really.

There weren’t too many topics that didn’t make an appearance at one stage or another during our endless ramblings. If you can have a conversation with someone about the rhinoceros’s inability to use its capacity to turn its head to the full extent its physiology allows, then you can have a conversation with them about pretty much anything.

And then of course there was the football. Endless, endless conversations about football. We mostly agreed about where our club and our team were at but every now and then one of us would have a moment of doubt and we’d head down a new rabbit hole and end up in a new place. And there was the joy. In a conversation with Moshe you never quite knew where you were going to end up but you could be pretty certain it would be an interesting ride.

Most of all I’ll look back at my friendship with Moshe as being one of generosity. Moshe always gave himself to you in a conversation and I was never left wondering where he stood on an issue even if he had no idea.

“I have no idea! What would I know?”

Because of the world’s current craziness I hadn’t seen Moshe face to face for a while. We’d make plans and then something would come up with his treatment or something else would get in the way and due to his illness he’d been pretty much in his own personal lockdown for some time anyway. In a way it didn’t matter.

I don’t really like talking on the phone to people much these days. I’m not sure why. I used to love it. Maybe it’s the occasional gaps in conversation or the self-absorption of people in general these days or something else. Moshe was the exception and outside of being one of the most warm and excellent human beings I’ve met, that’s perhaps the greatest compliment I can give him. We would often start a conversation as a result of a post one of us had seen on Talking Carlton or some weird article one of us had read. There’d be a text, then another text and maybe a third and then one of us would call and it wouldn’t take long before the whole spectrum opened up and we were off for hours.

We had a long talk a few weeks ago and he said at one point…

“You know, when we first became friends we’d talk about footy, footy and more footy. But I can’t remember the last time we really talked about footy. Maybe that’s got something to do with our team being so shit but maybe it’s because there are so many more important things to talk about and we like talking to each other about them.”

Over the last few days, once it became apparent that our conversations were about to end, I thought a lot about talking with Moshe and one of the few things Moshe may have enjoyed almost as much as a good conversation was a good graph and that was another place we bonded.

If I was to graph the pleasure I got from talking to Moshe it would be an exponential graph. With every year that’s passed since we first met I’ve enjoyed talking with him and enjoyed him being a part of my life much more than the last.

And I know that if I were to mention that graph to Moshe he would probably suggest that in fact it’s more likely that that graph would be linear or perhaps logistic in nature rather than exponential.

I would then have had to disagree. It’s definitely exponential.

I’m really going to miss talking to you Moshe.

Love you mate.
My condolences GWS, you spoke purely from the heart in a way usually only seen through the loss of someone that has touched you deeply.




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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:49 am 
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Wow. I missed this first time around. In shock.

His wit and insights will be sorely missed.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:22 pm 
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I don’t come here too often these days but there are certain posters when they post who’s opinions and words always make you stop skimming and read. Moshe was one of those for me. RIP


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I'm stunned, I missed this first time round. Moshe will be missed. I once posted on the whinge thread about why should it be the bloke's job to put out the wheelie bins.
Moshe posted ''stop whinging..........and put out the wheelie bins''.
Couldn't argue with that.
RIP Moshe

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Was shocked to only see this yesterday.
RIP moshe, you will be sorely missed

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