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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:23 pm 
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GWS...your storytelling and reflections about a unique friend has brought me to tears. Brilliantly recounted!!

And...I'm sorry for your loss as well

Today, I introduced Moshe to my whatsapp Carlton mates (we're all on the wrong side of 50)

Some of them went onto his blogspot and posted that his Carlton anecdotes brought back memories of an era standing behind the goals at the Heatley Stand end

Even that photo of the Footy Record that Moshe had on the website was a talking point this afternoon

It was the game we thrashed Essendon* at Windy Hill, kicking 14 goals 1 behind in the second quarter

One of my mates recalls that game and said that the only behind was kicked by McKay but it definitely was a goal...the crowd were booing

Also told me that in that particular game, Nicholls was unavailable and Keith McKenzie coached us

Just a suggestion...could TC superimpose some type of black armband on its masthead for a week in honour of Moshe?

Something tells me that Moshe will play a part in our realisation of Cup 17...he's now got some powerful friends upstairs...

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:32 pm 
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Some truly beautiful tributes here, to a man who so obviously deserved them.

RIP Moshe.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:35 pm 
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I barely knew Moshe, but I consider myself blessed to have known him. I spoke with him last week, and he was optimistic that he'd be home soon.

He is a beautiful human, and we're all poorer for his passing.

I'm devastated that he was taken too early, but even more devastated for his family and close friends.

Long life to all

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:45 pm 
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Very sad news.
Will be greatly missed.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:59 pm 
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So sad to hear this.
I really loved Moshe as an online friend.
We shared forum laughs and caring PM's

My condolences to all on here and to his family.
He was a funny, kind and caring man and I loved his strong moral sensibility.
He will be missed.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:05 pm 
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That is so sad. :sad: Condolences to his family and friends.

Always expect that TCers are ageless behind the keyboard.

RIP

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:08 pm 
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GWS wrote:
I don’t remember where I was the first time I met Moshe Goldberg.

He would.

I’m also not sure how long it was between the time we became friends online and that first real life meeting.

He’d remember that too.

Moshe had an attention to detail and a memory that is extremely rare.

It was the sort of attention to detail that I suppose you might need if you’re going to earn a PhD in mathematics but is also fairly handy if you’d like to know who had the seventh highest number of possessions in the 1972 VFL grand final.

Moshe and I first crossed paths sometime back in late 2002 or 2003 as our beloved Carlton Football Club imploded and we sought out information and like minds online. Moshe had been living in Dallas, Texas and had recently returned to a Melbourne that had grown substantially and was culturally different to the one he left back in the 1980s. We quickly became friends online and when we finally did meet face to face, wherever that was, it was like catching up with an old mate.

Moshe was always excited by new ideas but also had an incredible respect for the accumulated wisdom of those who came before. In short, he was a fan of expertise and what those with specialised knowledge could tell us about where we’ve been and where we might be headed. It’s fair to say he wasn’t a fan of keyboard warriors who believe a fifteen second Google search is enough to arm themselves in a debate with someone with forty or fifty years of specialized research in a given field.

We bonded over this.

Moshe was very clear about what he knew but he also clearly understood what he didn’t know and would happily defer to those with greater knowledge of a given field.

And then he’d ask them questions.

And more questions.

Because he wanted to know more.

And more.

If I was to sum up our friendship of the last seventeen years I would describe it as one unending conversation encompassing everything from the genius of Father John Misty’s fourth album to the benefits of purple carrots with detours taking in literature, film, art, architecture and…

…and everything really.

There weren’t too many topics that didn’t make an appearance at one stage or another during our endless ramblings. If you can have a conversation with someone about the rhinoceros’s inability to use its capacity to turn its head to the full extent its physiology allows, then you can have a conversation with them about pretty much anything.

And then of course there was the football. Endless, endless conversations about football. We mostly agreed about where our club and our team were at but every now and then one of us would have a moment of doubt and we’d head down a new rabbit hole and end up in a new place. And there was the joy. In a conversation with Moshe you never quite knew where you were going to end up but you could be pretty certain it would be an interesting ride.

Most of all I’ll look back at my friendship with Moshe as being one of generosity. Moshe always gave himself to you in a conversation and I was never left wondering where he stood on an issue even if he had no idea.

“I have no idea! What would I know?”

Because of the world’s current craziness I hadn’t seen Moshe face to face for a while. We’d make plans and then something would come up with his treatment or something else would get in the way and due to his illness he’d been pretty much in his own personal lockdown for some time anyway. In a way it didn’t matter.

I don’t really like talking on the phone to people much these days. I’m not sure why. I used to love it. Maybe it’s the occasional gaps in conversation or the self-absorption of people in general these days or something else. Moshe was the exception and outside of being one of the most warm and excellent human beings I’ve met, that’s perhaps the greatest compliment I can give him. We would often start a conversation as a result of a post one of us had seen on Talking Carlton or some weird article one of us had read. There’d be a text, then another text and maybe a third and then one of us would call and it wouldn’t take long before the whole spectrum opened up and we were off for hours.

We had a long talk a few weeks ago and he said at one point…

“You know, when we first became friends we’d talk about footy, footy and more footy. But I can’t remember the last time we really talked about footy. Maybe that’s got something to do with our team being so shit but maybe it’s because there are so many more important things to talk about and we like talking to each other about them.”

Over the last few days, once it became apparent that our conversations were about to end, I thought a lot about talking with Moshe and one of the few things Moshe may have enjoyed almost as much as a good conversation was a good graph and that was another place we bonded.

If I was to graph the pleasure I got from talking to Moshe it would be an exponential graph. With every year that’s passed since we first met I’ve enjoyed talking with him and enjoyed him being a part of my life much more than the last.

And I know that if I were to mention that graph to Moshe he would probably suggest that in fact it’s more likely that that graph would be linear or perhaps logistic in nature rather than exponential.

I would then have had to disagree. It’s definitely exponential.

I’m really going to miss talking to you Moshe.

Love you mate.


Beautiful beautiful post.
You are an amazing man.
Just like Moshe was.
I needed to cry so thanks for that too.

Xx

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:28 pm 
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A beautiful tribute :clap:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:31 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
Pat, Jamie and Charlie have summed up Moshe and our feelings for Moshe most eloquently, and it’s not laziness on my part but rather feelings of inadequacy that I can’t add to them.

Suffice to say that Moshe is the only Carlton friend I know of who was able to get me to change my ranking of the greatest Carlton Centre Half Forwards in history.

We’ll miss you Moshe, but I’m guessing not as much as your dear family will.


RIP mate.


PS. I’m really hoping I haven’t made a spelling mistake anywhere here or added an errant apostrophe or comma.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:05 pm 
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Sad news
Condolences to his family and friends


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:56 pm 
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Very sad news.

RIP Moshe.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:03 am 
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Damn, terrible news. I share the sentiments of everyone else here, didn't know Moshe personally but appreciated his input on here over the years and always back a fellow stickler for grammar. Condolences to his family and his close friends on here. RIP


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:10 am 
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Well I haven't read all the posts because they are all very similar in nature.
I did read that of GWS and thank you for it.
I never met Moshe but I used to say to him that of all the people here on TC, he was the one I would most like to know.
His personality, wide as it was, shone though his posts and his witty, mildly sarcastic posts regarding spelling, punctuation or grammatical errors have been mentioned many times here.
He was also a thinker about the club and the game and was never one to play the man for a difference of opinion.
I am truly sorry I will never meet him.
My condolences to his family and friends.

Moshe, your a true legend of TC and their are to many reasons we will miss ewe.

RIP

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:52 am 
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I don't know anyone personally (that I know of) on this forum but I always sensed the reverence felt for Moshe by the regulars here, a reverence that was easy to appreciate. I just want to add my condolences to the many fine tributes already posted. It seems that Moshe's musings in real life were, like his postings on here, a cut above. A sad day. Vale.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:55 am 
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So sad to hear the news of his passing, I did not know him but always enjoyed reading his posts. RIP Moshe, you will be missed.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:00 am 
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Beautifully said GWS. Although I have never branched further than online in this forum it's a strange feeling knowing that someone whose posts you've read for over 15 years has passed away. RIP Moshe. You deserved to be around for our future success.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:02 am 
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I can only echo the previous posts and the awesome tribute from GWS.

Moshe Goldberg you will be missed. Long life to your family.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:53 am 
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Oh, dear, a bit of a shock, despite knowing he was unwell.

He has always been such a presence over the years since 2002, and will be sadly missed.

Condolences to his family, and those who knew him so much better than I.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:20 am 
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Gee some beautiful tributes on here to an obviously wonderful human being. I’ve never met anyone from TC but I do get choked up when men share such heartfelt and kind words. What a cruel world. RIP mate, I’ll surely think of him when we win our 17th.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:35 am 
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Thanks for your beautifully written post GWS. I hope you and others close to Moshe are doing ok.
And thanks Moshe for all your wisdom, thoughts and humour.


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