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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:29 pm 
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yep, beautifully put GW.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:30 pm 
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Thank you for the words GWS, they were wonderful to read

Condolences goes out to all who knew him and especially his family.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:39 pm 
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GWS wrote:
I don’t remember where I was the first time I met Moshe Goldberg.

He would.........................................



Thanks GWS. For those of us not going to the Funeral, I'm pretty sure you covered it all.

:thanks: :thanks:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:42 pm 
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Like so many others I didn't know moshe but by so many posts in such a short time it is apparent just how loved he was both by TCers and his friends on TC.


moshe being Jewish, they have their own funeral home. I looked it up and though funerals are understandably private at the moment it will be broadcast on the internet.


For anyone interested the link is here https://www.mck.org.au/funerals.

Tomorrow at 11am.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:49 pm 
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Fare thee well, Moshe.
And thank you.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:06 pm 
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I didn’t know Moshe personally but I always valued his footy insights.
By the comments from those who knew him and looking at his website I can tell he was a quality bloke and will be missed.
My condolences to those who knew him and to his family.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:43 pm 
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That's a beautiful tribute GWS.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:00 pm 
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Nice story GWS... may your friend rest in peace

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:13 pm 
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Wonderful tribute GWS, to a wonderful man. So sad to hear of his passing.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:18 pm 
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GWS, sorry to hear mate. Thanks for letting us know the news & for your wonderful post.

I first met moshe at the Parkview in Nth Fitzroy, to watch us play Port. Pretty sure it was Touhy's debut, the game where he went for a bounce & the ball went over his head. Moshe was interested to hear my Carlton story, when did I go to my first game etc, & I told him it was Bruce Doull's 300th, against Melbourne. He pointed out that his 300th was actually against St Kilda. I was confused. Moshe was bemused. I thought I was right. Moshe knew he was right. Years later (as in, this year), I was down a rabbit hole on youtube & learnt there'd been a screw up at the time & they'd taken into account Doull's state games or something, & his actual 300th took place weeks later, against, yep, St Kilda. I considered messaging moshe to let him know, a decade or so after the conversation, that he was right...but didn't get around to it. I'm sure he wouldn't have found it weird at all :grin:

He was ridiculously easy to talk to. I remember him posting something here one time about Ricky Barham jumping out of Bruce Doull's way in the 1981 grand final. Later, at a pub get together, I asked him to retell it, just to get the extended spoken word version. He did not disappoint!

He was an absolutely iconic poster, moshe. There was his zero tolerance policy to poor spelling (which he played so well). I took great pleasure in pointing out maybe two of his own errors over the journey, simply because I thought it was like taking a point off Federer :lol:

But he also completely had the ability to apologise or back down when he was wrong. That is so rare on the internet, & when he did he made it look so easy to do what so many find so hard.

And I'll never forget the sig he ran with for ages. “There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't”

Moshe had roots on CSC also & I'm sure they'll be sad to hear this news over there.

RIP moshe, & condolences to his family & friends. I briefly met his wife at PP one day & they just seemed like such a lovely balanced & vibrant couple. Perhaps after the days have passed we can forward this thread to her, to share the reflections of the idiots who've taken up a fair chunk of his time over the last couple of decades.

Farewell to a great Carlton man. How fitting we're playing the Pies this weekend.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:21 pm 
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Sad news very sad.
I am going to miss him around here. Moshe and myself never agreed on anything but we had a healthy respect for each other. Every time I posted something I was always waiting for Moshe to correct my spelling or grammar.
I met up with him once at a Swans game in Sydney and prior to the game I was a bit apprehensive about meeting him as we disagreed on everything. However we sat next to each other watch our Blues cop yet another flogging and had a terrific afternoon trying to work out where it all went wrong and strangely enough we agreed on everything. We parted that day with a handshake and went back to the forum disagreeing with each other.

We will miss him

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:49 pm 
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GWS wrote:
I don’t remember where I was the first time I met Moshe Goldberg.

He would.

I’m also not sure how long it was between the time we became friends online and that first real life meeting.

He’d remember that too.

Moshe had an attention to detail and a memory that is extremely rare.

It was the sort of attention to detail that I suppose you might need if you’re going to earn a PhD in mathematics but is also fairly handy if you’d like to know who had the seventh highest number of possessions in the 1972 VFL grand final.

Moshe and I first crossed paths sometime back in late 2002 or 2003 as our beloved Carlton Football Club imploded and we sought out information and like minds online. Moshe had been living in Dallas, Texas and had recently returned to a Melbourne that had grown substantially and was culturally different to the one he left back in the 1980s. We quickly became friends online and when we finally did meet face to face, wherever that was, it was like catching up with an old mate.

Moshe was always excited by new ideas but also had an incredible respect for the accumulated wisdom of those who came before. In short, he was a fan of expertise and what those with specialised knowledge could tell us about where we’ve been and where we might be headed. It’s fair to say he wasn’t a fan of keyboard warriors who believe a fifteen second Google search is enough to arm themselves in a debate with someone with forty or fifty years of specialized research in a given field.

We bonded over this.

Moshe was very clear about what he knew but he also clearly understood what he didn’t know and would happily defer to those with greater knowledge of a given field.

And then he’d ask them questions.

And more questions.

Because he wanted to know more.

And more.

If I was to sum up our friendship of the last seventeen years I would describe it as one unending conversation encompassing everything from the genius of Father John Misty’s fourth album to the benefits of purple carrots with detours taking in literature, film, art, architecture and…

…and everything really.

There weren’t too many topics that didn’t make an appearance at one stage or another during our endless ramblings. If you can have a conversation with someone about the rhinoceros’s inability to use its capacity to turn its head to the full extent its physiology allows, then you can have a conversation with them about pretty much anything.

And then of course there was the football. Endless, endless conversations about football. We mostly agreed about where our club and our team were at but every now and then one of us would have a moment of doubt and we’d head down a new rabbit hole and end up in a new place. And there was the joy. In a conversation with Moshe you never quite knew where you were going to end up but you could be pretty certain it would be an interesting ride.

Most of all I’ll look back at my friendship with Moshe as being one of generosity. Moshe always gave himself to you in a conversation and I was never left wondering where he stood on an issue even if he had no idea.

“I have no idea! What would I know?”

Because of the world’s current craziness I hadn’t seen Moshe face to face for a while. We’d make plans and then something would come up with his treatment or something else would get in the way and due to his illness he’d been pretty much in his own personal lockdown for some time anyway. In a way it didn’t matter.

I don’t really like talking on the phone to people much these days. I’m not sure why. I used to love it. Maybe it’s the occasional gaps in conversation or the self-absorption of people in general these days or something else. Moshe was the exception and outside of being one of the most warm and excellent human beings I’ve met, that’s perhaps the greatest compliment I can give him. We would often start a conversation as a result of a post one of us had seen on Talking Carlton or some weird article one of us had read. There’d be a text, then another text and maybe a third and then one of us would call and it wouldn’t take long before the whole spectrum opened up and we were off for hours.

We had a long talk a few weeks ago and he said at one point…

“You know, when we first became friends we’d talk about footy, footy and more footy. But I can’t remember the last time we really talked about footy. Maybe that’s got something to do with our team being so shit but maybe it’s because there are so many more important things to talk about and we like talking to each other about them.”

Over the last few days, once it became apparent that our conversations were about to end, I thought a lot about talking with Moshe and one of the few things Moshe may have enjoyed almost as much as a good conversation was a good graph and that was another place we bonded.

If I was to graph the pleasure I got from talking to Moshe it would be an exponential graph. With every year that’s passed since we first met I’ve enjoyed talking with him and enjoyed him being a part of my life much more than the last.

And I know that if I were to mention that graph to Moshe he would probably suggest that in fact it’s more likely that that graph would be linear or perhaps logistic in nature rather than exponential.

I would then have had to disagree. It’s definitely exponential.

I’m really going to miss talking to you Moshe.

Love you mate.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:05 pm 
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GWS..........you are brilliant mate.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:27 pm 
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2020 can get [REDACTED].

I never met Moshe outside the forums and am sad that I never will.

The thing that sums Moshe up for me was when I complained on here a few years ago about the Pine Lodge cemetary trust removing momentos and anything other than "permitted floral arrangements" from the graves, including that of my son, Oscar.
Moshe was that appalled that he wrote to the Shepparton News voicing his genuine disgust. Very few people in my life have made as big an impression on me as Moshe did with that simple show of support for someone he'd only known through words on a screen.

A great man gone too soon.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:28 pm 
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RIP.

Appreciated and will miss his posts.

Condolences to his family and friends.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:30 pm 
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My warmest sentiments to Moshe's family and those on Talking Carlton who called him a friend.

I did know him a long , long time ago, but my memories are faint.

May he live on in the memories of those who still hold him dear.

R.I.P.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:40 pm 
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I met Moshe a few times and kept in touch. I was trying to catch up a few times in the last year, but either his or my health and Covid came in between. Last time we were together was at the pub when Murphy kicked the late goal at Freo. I always enjoyed his company and admired his intelligence. I am extremely saddened and thinking of his family. I have nearly died a couple of times the last 2 years (the old pump) and in a chat we assured each other that we wanted to live to see the 17th flag. This is a dark time and it became much darker today. Vale Moshe.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:51 pm 
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Pat, I am so sorry for your loss, you two had something very special, I know that Moshe loved you like a brother.

Moshe was a very special person. There are very few people in your life you meet and you just like everything about them, they seem faultless.

Kind, inquisitive, intelligent and a great listener.

I first saw him online on CSC and his avatar was (I'm not sure who it was) but it looked like a gangster, so in my minds eye I had a bad first impression (online), that was quickly realised as incorrect the first time I met him. It was probably pre-season 2005, but my memory is terrible.

We had so many great afternoons and evenings, mostly at Percy's. It would be great to get on a roll nerding out over Carlton history, even better about every other subject you could think about. Every time he talked about his family he gushed, when talking about Helena you would think he had just met her and fallen in love.

Just before each meeting I would greet as we shook hands with "Dr Goldgerg!".

This did not seem enough so in the last 5 or so years it turned into "Professor Goldberg!".

Moshe made a lot of great contributions to the Blueseum, including some articles he kindly allowed to be copied from his website to the Blueseum.

Last time I saw him was in May, he was the one who organised an evening on Zoom with most of the usual Percy's gang and we had a great night (thanks to Moshe). I got to show him some footage from the 81 premiership very few people have seen, I'm so glad he got to enjoy it in hindsight.

Looking forward to the next dinner at Percy's, bring your tissues!

Had to get this out tonight, mind is racing, tears are flowing. I hope you are all well and safe.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:05 pm 
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Pat, Jamie and Charlie have summed up Moshe and our feelings for Moshe most eloquently, and it’s not laziness on my part but rather feelings of inadequacy that I can’t add to them.

Suffice to say that Moshe is the only Carlton friend I know of who was able to get me to change my ranking of the greatest Carlton Centre Half Forwards in history.

We’ll miss you Moshe, but I’m guessing not as much as your dear family will.


RIP mate.


PS. I’m really hoping I haven’t made a spelling mistake anywhere here or added an errant apostrophe or comma.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:12 pm 
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This is heartbreaking. I wish Moshe, his family and friends a long life.


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