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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:03 pm 
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Surely Kennedy's form pre corky and the week off demands he walks back in....


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:03 pm 
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I reckon we should soldier on with Cottrell

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:06 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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I think Dow has to come in. 12 clearances in the ressies. But he has to play midfield.
Murphy to the wing, Cottrell out of the side and Dow into the midfield rotation. By all means rotate Murphy and Walsh through there as well but we need leg speed in the middle. At the moment, I think Newnes has taken Cuninghams role. He was clean as a whistle with his ground balls on Friday and he set up a number of goals with his hands. Half forward is his to lose at the moment IMHO. With players like Elliot in the midfield, we need some wheels in there as well and Dow deserves the chance with 2 BOG's out of the past 3 reserves games.

Murphy had about 10 clearances last weekend.


Try 5.
No one is saying Murphy is banned from the centre square but we need to rotate more. At the moment, it's Cripps, Ed, Setterfield and Murphy. If we can put Dow in there, it may allow us to play our best players through the condensed fixture by giving them less time around the contest. Plus it gives us a point of difference with his burst and ability to accelerate from the stoppage.
The key is to understand Dow has deficiencies but to maximise his strengths. Cripps is a very poor kick but we maximise his strengths which is the contested footy. Dow may not pinpoint his kicks going forward but if we can get a 50/50 contest in our forward line at worst instead of the ball going the other way, it's a win IMHO.
He's not a forward. He's a midfielder and he needs opportunity to hone his craft. It's not like we're carrying him. He has earned his opportunity.

Murphy has been lining up at wing-HFF all season. He'd have an attendance rate of less than 10% at centre bounces. Setterfield & Kennedy make up the third midfielder, with Ed & Crippa each being there for 90% of the rotations.

Averages a c- hair shy of 20 disposals from off the ruck in reduced game time and 'fans' want to get rid of him. Must be nice.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:22 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I reckon we should soldier on with Cottrell


:grin: :clap:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:31 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
I think Dow has to come in. 12 clearances in the ressies. But he has to play midfield.
Murphy to the wing, Cottrell out of the side and Dow into the midfield rotation. By all means rotate Murphy and Walsh through there as well but we need leg speed in the middle. At the moment, I think Newnes has taken Cuninghams role. He was clean as a whistle with his ground balls on Friday and he set up a number of goals with his hands. Half forward is his to lose at the moment IMHO. With players like Elliot in the midfield, we need some wheels in there as well and Dow deserves the chance with 2 BOG's out of the past 3 reserves games.


Agree with this. We have a player in Cottrell, he should work on taking Murphy’s spot next year on a wing, or a half back role. Otherwise bring him in for Pittonet.

Dow is in form and can add another dimension to our midfield.

Teague won’t change a winning team though, unless we have injuries.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:49 pm 
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It's the groups first 'finals' like game.... collingwood would want this as badly as we do but the groups maturity will be telling.

Commentators will be banging on about their injuries while we have Charlie, Kreuzer, McGovern, Newman, Marchbank and Jack out of the side all arguably in best 22.

Groups maturity will be interesting.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:58 pm 
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Dropping Pittonet for another runner is not such a bad idea. He hasn't done much wrong but doesn't have the athleticism the top ruckmen of today have eg Grundy, Gawn, Goldstein, Nic Nat. TDK has.

Issue is which runner to bring in. Topic of discussion has been Dow which I favour but apparently and according to Russell both Kennedy and Cuningham are fit and ready this week. Nice problem.


However based on the coach's usual team selection my money is an unchanged lineup. :smile:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:09 pm 
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Beyond Pittonet and Cottrell, it’s hard to see anyone else who would go out. Having in-form players who can’t get a game is new territory. I’m excited to see what we look like in a couple of years.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:16 am 
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ferdinand wrote:
Beyond Pittonet and Cottrell, it’s hard to see anyone else who would go out. Having in-form players who can’t get a game is new territory. I’m excited to see what we look like in a couple of years.
The only others who I thought might come into the conversation if there are any changes were SPS (if his shoulder was worse than appeared) or Gibbons (if his groping was worse than appeared).


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:38 am 
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Murphy has been lining up at wing-HFF all season. He'd have an attendance rate of less than 10% at centre bounces. Setterfield & Kennedy make up the third midfielder, with Ed & Crippa each being there for 90% of the rotations.
I was interested in how often Murphy was attending centre bounces, as I thought it would be low too. He has actually attended a smidge over 27% of CBs this season.

Here's his game by game numbers (his attendances/total centre bounces that game) :-
21/32, 11/19, 1/27, 1/18, 3/23, 6/26, 0/21, 2/22, 7/27, 4/22, 10/13, 7/15


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:46 am 
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snakehips wrote:
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Murphy has been lining up at wing-HFF all season. He'd have an attendance rate of less than 10% at centre bounces. Setterfield & Kennedy make up the third midfielder, with Ed & Crippa each being there for 90% of the rotations.
I was interested in how often Murphy was attending centre bounces, as I thought it would be low too. He has actually attended a smidge over 27% of CBs this season.

Here's his game by game numbers (his attendances/total centre bounces that game) :-
21/32, 11/19, 1/27, 1/18, 3/23, 6/26, 0/21, 2/22, 7/27, 4/22, 10/13, 7/15

Thanks for posting this snakehips. It felt like Murph effectively took over Kennedy’s role in the middle once Kennedy got that corkie vs Freo and then continued that role vs GC. These numbers seem consistent with that.

It will be very interesting to see if this trend continues or if Murph will be moved back out to the wing. If Murph stays in the middle, Cottrell will likely remain on the wing with Walsh on the other wing (and Newnes rotating through there). If Murph is moved back to the wing, then the door opens for Kennedy or Dow to play through the middle and Cottrell to make way.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:49 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Dropping Pittonet for another runner is not such a bad idea. He hasn't done much wrong but doesn't have the athleticism the top ruckmen of today have eg Grundy, Gawn, Goldstein, Nic Nat. TDK has.

Issue is which runner to bring in. Topic of discussion has been Dow which I favour but apparently and according to Russell both Kennedy and Cuningham are fit and ready this week. Nice problem.


However based on the coach's usual team selection my money is an unchanged lineup. :smile:




Re: Pittonet his body shape reminds me of Sam Jacobs early days when he was with us, he really transformed himself when he went to the Crows, I wonder if an intensive full pre-season under Andrew Russell he can work himself towards that level of athleticism going forward.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:31 pm 
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we need to stop there run from our fwd 50,this is where there attack starts from . So our forwards better bring the pressure and tackle.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:00 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:02 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I reckon we should soldier on with Cottrell
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I would still like to see Dow in... Not sure for who?

(little brother is going ok too)



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:22 am 
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I still like to see No Change, but the club has been sending signals there's plenty on the doorstep pushing for a spot:

Cuningham and Kennedy over injury and want their spots back from the "seat warmers".
Dow is cheery ripe and BOG in the Ressies twice in 3 weeks, which is a good sign for a welcome mat.
Polson's game at its peak and has evolved as a specialist Back Pocket in the Ressies.

With last weeks Ressies played in almost normal conditions 18 v 18, the Ressies form is worth taking more serious than the 12 v 12 Praccy games.

I'm a huge fan of Cuningham's speed, but I would prefer to see Dow working his craft in the midfield group if there will be any change. He has speed and has shown a great ability to break tackles with those strong hips.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:10 am 
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Our capacity to get the maximum benefit from our forward entries will decide the game. We are still very unreliable when shooting for goal.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:58 am 
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Beijing Blue wrote:
Our capacity to get the maximum benefit from our forward entries will decide the game. We are still very unreliable when shooting for goal.


So true.

A lot of that inaccuracy has to do with where the shots are being taken from and also the result from ample quick snaps.

Last week we missed a lot of goals by only half to one metre either side of goal post.

If we can have a few shots from the Corridor, by entering the forwardline with good team work and precision instead of the high bomb will help.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:21 pm 
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I don't have answers to the selection questions but do feel that the game will be won or lost at the selection table.

If we lose we'll either be saying

'we needed Pittonet in the ruck'

or

'we needed an extra runner, we went in too tall'

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:31 pm 
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Dunno,the two major contenders for the flag being Tigers and West Coast both had two ruck men in there side.I would emulate that formula myself and go with Pittonet and Tommy.Grundy is a half decent opponent after all..........two ruck men it is for me every day of the week.

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