But if he doesn't tackle then he is partly if not largely responsible for the early blow outs and this is against Geel so you can magnify it by x10. Geelong midfielders will steamroll and rag doll Murphy. It'll be a massacre.

I'd put Newnes and Silvagni in the midfield and take Murphy out. Use Marc for his run on the outside. I would give SPS an ultimatum. He was poor on the weekend. Weak efforts in the D goalsquare falling over too easily and lacking awareness and intensity on many other occassions. I refuse to believe he lacks peripheral awareness . He needs to wake up and show more intensity generally.

I agree about Newnes. When I classify Murphy as a midfielder, I'm not talking about a centre square player. He can run on the wing or as a high half forward.

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From what I have read O'Brien, Philp and Honey seem to be in form. As much as I like Setterfield and Cunningham ... we need to see what Philp and Honey offer. Newnes seems to be a long way off. We are gunna get thumped anyway so 'what the hell'.


In: Silvagni, Williamson, O'Brien, Philp, Honey

Out: Newman, Lang, Newnes, Setterfield, Cunningham


I think the match committee will just go with Silvagni and Williamson in for Newman and Lang. They have shown themselves not to be bold with selections.

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I'd persist with Cunningham, like the rest of what you propose though

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Soj and Willo for Newman and Lang IS being bold for the MC.
It will probably just be Willo for Newman.

Depends on who is available too (we probably don't know what Soj is up to anyway)

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Greg Lee

Have we got the youth to knock off Cats?

Can't consider injured certain starters: Marchbank, C.Curnow, Fisher, Dow, Kemp

B: Williamson Jones Plowman

HB: Docherty Weitering Setterfield


C: Philp Cripps Walsh

R: Pittenet Silvagni Stocker


HF: Martin McKay SPS

F: Cuningham TDK McGovern

I: Honey Kennedy OBrien Gibbons

E: Casboult Simpson Murphy E.Curnow


may be able to swap the I for the E if needed.

I reckon Levi could be handy given TDK has been out injured.
Murphy experience at HF-wing might be handy.
Ed would be good if we want to tag
Simmo looks like a kid with his undeveloped body. He's heart n soul and ever reliable 7th defender

Plenty of room for JSOS, Williamson Philp, Stocker this week

Great thing about this list is the 5 injured would be automatics in the best 22.
Plus we have whoever we trade in with our First Rounder and FA, maybe a B+ trade in for our round 2 and 3 picks.

We are not that far off.

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Ditto

Cuningham seesm to be running well and his hands are good, let alone kicking for goal.
We need to give him a block of games to see what he is capable of.
I think his pace is something we are desperat for.
Team needs to find some synergy and a bit of white line fever.

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Not all of shed a tear with the move of Gibbo defin did with Mitch

EFA

Go Blues

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Greg Lee

I think any kid with intent and pace is ready. They add the unknown, and excitement within the group.

Bondi, I love your posts and I love your enthusiasm.
I agree with most of what you post BUT
This list looks good on paper. The replacements look good on paper.
The problem is, this is not a board game, it is played live and in colour out there on the light green.
Carlton's problem is not the list. The kids we have, have talent to burn and a lot of upside. The problem is that they have no fire in the belly apart from a few whom I have mentioned in various threads.
We talk about North and the mindset that has been passed down. They get written off every year. Every year they find a way. Shaw will take them deep into September before we know it. They are fighters and battlers from a poor club wirh no facilities and a bugger-all supporter base.
What has been passed down at Carlton?
Success. We are big and successful and we built that success on the backs of the Maclures, Johnnos, Buckleys Rys Joneses, Wallses, Ashmans, Keoghs, Croswells, and the list of larrikins goes on.
BUT the worst tradition of all is "the Premiership Quarter" whereby we overrun everybody even though we have given them a massive start in the first half.
I'd much prefer we had struggled for our 16 flags than won them on the trot with the aura of invincibility we and the past players portray.
Sellers is one of the better footy brains going around IMO along with King. Between them they make a formidable duo on 360 but look at the difference in their approach. Sellers is all fun and laughing while he analyses stuff whereas King is all business. Therein is the key.

Teague says he wants the players to go out there and have fun.
Shaw says he wants them to go out and bust their arses for the club and have fun meanwhile. I'm guessing that they are having more fun than we are atm.

It's not the list.
It's what they have between their ears.

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its not the list
its how the list is mixed

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

The list is good? Its not good? It looks good? Not sure exactly why the BUT in your sentence.

Are we saying the same thing?

I'm saying the players are good players; top 20 players; plenty of them; they have the tools to be great players....not all of them...the list in general.

I'm putting it back to the Off field bosses:

eg

Russell...has he conditioned them for endurance and not power, hence slow starts and running out games better than opponents

Teague...he has to stop being liked for the nice things and start to be liked for bringing success to the team. He hould be charging their emotions before the game and create an us vs them aura

Barker ... its the midfield where we are getting smacked. Its your responsibility. Why are we getting smashed in their. Why arent there more than 5-6 running through their...

Lloyd ... you are list manager. Get 5 names with a bit of mongrel and put heat on positions. Some of SOS' picks will be traded. We expect that. No more nice characters from nice families. We have too many of that profile.

The rest of you....all of you...use some of that life experience you have over the youth on our list and guide them to the promised land...fire them up...like we seem to do for Essendon* games..and they better continue that in a fortnight or the shit will hit the fan.

Draw a line in the sand and turn this list into winners. No one in the media is denying we have a good list. Its a board game in terms of moving players around because its our only means to determine what we have. Teague can shuffle the real thing. Should be easier for him.

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It's a good question you pose Bondi. The thing we need to consider is how much is off field bosses and how much is our players not willing to do the extra work to get the absolute best out of themselves.
I wrote in another thread that despite 3 full pre seasons, Dow still has the body of a 15 year old boy. Why? Is it Russell not wanting to put on too much weight and is it all on him, or is Paddy not doing the extra work?
Stocker is not being selected supposedly because his fitness despite 2 full pre seasons and shortened quarters is not deemed good enough to run out a full game. How much of that is on Russell and how much is on Stocker not doing the required work.

Goal kicking: Despite that horrible miss on the weekend, Gov is probably out best and most reliable set shot for goal (Jack M may now challenge him for that title). Levi has gone from poor to average but the rest are not good at all. I know Sav had to depart, but he had ample time with them. Why is JSOS still a horribly unreliable kick for goal? H too? Kruez, Dow, Murph is unreliable from a set shot. We saw Cripps and what he did on the weekend. I could almost name 90% of our list here. How much on that was on Sav and how much on our players not willing to do the extra work to get the absolute best out of themselves.

They are not little children anymore. They need to want to do the work themselves. They are professional athletes and most get paid a lot more than the majority of us yet it appears aren't prepared to put the work in.

How much of this is on the off field bosses and how much is on the players?

The problem is our bottom 6.

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And the fact that there are more than 6 in our bottom 6

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Sorry, Bondi. I could have ranted more clearly.
I agree that the list is OK. What I disagree with it that we are not far off.
We are miles off if we maintain the current mindset.

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yeah,

and if we change our mindset? We are not that far off?
Is that what you're saying?

What I do know is players can be moved to play out of their skins by their coach before a game.
Ive been there and seen that when the odds were stacked against us in H&A and a few GF's.

Mindset

Who sets their mind?
Who sets their body?
Who is in control of their actions?

Does the game plan suit the positioning of the players?

If you see ball do you want it? Shouldn't even be a question at this level.

Everyone needs to lift to turn potential into reality.

Get that nut! Hit those Cats with everything you've got. Getting Reported when you didn't intend to doesn't matter.
Make this game count, then the next one....

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