I don't think you can compare it to the two biggest English clubs. Reality is that this rivalry is a thing of the past. Matches between these two in the present day pale in comparison to the 70's, 80's and 90's - even in seasons like 1987 (1st vs 12th).

Emerging from the shutdown will be easier for an administration like Carlton's. They were already under the AFL's microscope. They trust the AFL. But they'll still be a apart of the have-not group and for the next few years will not be able to compete off-field with the likes of Richmond, Hawthorn, Collingwood and Essendon*. And as we know - if you're healthy off-field, you have a better chance of being healthy on it.

I keep shaking my head in dismay on how far we have fallen.
Footscray aren’t relying on assistance, yet we are.......just astonishing and heartbreaking.

1987 1st vs 12th
1988- an epic final between Carlton and Collingwood. At least in those days both clubs were around the mark.

I agree. The Carlton vs Collingwood rivalry is a thing of the past. I doubt I will see a Carlton vs Collingwood final in my lifetime, and part of that (Even if just part) is due to the amount of teams in the competition. 18 teams! It is crazy. 18 professional teams and there are 3 other professional/ semi-professional sports competing for the same dollars..

....other reasons for Carlton's demise are Carlton's poor recruiting, poor management, arrogance etc, AFL's disdain for the Blues etc.

It is a shame the rivalry is a thing of the past.
Yet culture, history, legacy and cross-generational ties are important if you want to build passion for a sporting "product". I guess the AFL management can't see this as they limit funding to the Blues but pile the money into other clubs. Go Gold Coast!



"They trust the AFL"? Carlton trusts the AFL, why?

I don't see the reasons why they would trust the AFL.

AFL showed their true colours again in last years free agency period and yet...........
We have been in bed with the AFL since Collo day’s and we still never learn.

We'll still emerge with the 2 best young gun mids in the comps - Walsh and Prespakis.

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

Interesting but immune is a big call.
I think w are well established with cash in hand as a buffer.

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I think clubs with old lists and clubs with young lists will both suffer to a degree.

Older lists will be one year older.

And younger lists will miss a year of development.

I put us in the second group.

I don't understand your sums.

The older get older.
The young get another year of physical growth/ maturity.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

You're an optimist.

He's a pessimist.

Fairly easy equation I would have thought.

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Mort Sahl

Like lifting the draft age?

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/588512/teague-giving-back-to-the-game

If there was one ounce of emotion left in my body about our wonderful game, the COVID19 changes are about to bleed me dry. What a farce.

You need a fix!

...of footy


...and soon.


Have to be patient...


I'm feeling your pain.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Let’s hope for just ONCE we are not 5 goals behind theoppositin at quarter time
With reduced quarters will be diabolical to be that far behind
Surely after that shocking first quarter against Richmond we would be on from the start

also....

everyone plays everyone just the once..!

an even Steven season... I like it...!


kindest regards Tommi

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that'siti'mnotchangingthistagain......!

I have vague recollections of going to a game about 10 years ago and going into 3/4 time 5-6 goals in front. It stood out to me as it was the only time I can remember being able to relax at the start of last quarter and just enjoy the game without tension or disappointment.
Oh for those days to return!!!!

Yep, that insipid start against the tigers still fresh in my mind.

Cmon boys get fired up !!

Longer /medium Term we need Willo stocker Marchbank setters O’Brien and Dow to be competent and consistent senior players
Walsh Weiters and Sammy H need to continue their development and consistency
Need to get injury and injury management right -best forward Charlie and best ruckman injured for rest of season too often we start seasons with major injuries to key players -even start without Eddie was really disappointing -why on earth at his age did he play that bushfire game is beyond me -was the oldest one out there and why didn’t they get H right before season started

Senior players need to support strongly our 2 captains -Murph Martin Jones Simpson Eddie

I reckon Crippa will emerge from the shutdown nice and refreshed and in cherry ripe condition.

The break is likely not what he wanted, but definitely needed.