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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:12 am 
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Who hired Bolton?
Was that Stephen Silvagni’s fault as well?

How many premiership coaches are there over last 50 years who have not played at AFL level?
I think it is zero... unless I am mistaken.

So that is quite a gamble betting on going against 50 years plus of evidence. And the clowns stuck with Bolton after the evidence of his coaching was in.

“But in the NFL Bellichick has led the Patriots to blah, blah, blah..,”

Australian football is the toughest, most physically challenging football code in the world. In this game, you want someone who has been in the trenches too. NFL is far more a tacticians game... so using the Bellichick argument doesn’t wash.


Bolton? Isn't this a thread about Silvagni?
FWIW, I thought Bolton was the perfect choicest the right time.
We needed someone who could hold the club together while we totally dismantled and rebuilt the list. Bolton did that.
He also put game time into the kids that will pay off in years to come.

As for playing coaches that haven't played AFL, that's a rubbish argument IMO. The record exists because very few have been given the opportunity. For every coach who hasn't succeeded with out playing AFL, I'd suggest there's another 5 unsuccessful coaches who have played AFL.
Warwick Capper played 100+ games, would that make him a better coach than Bolton? Move on, Bolton did what was required and he's gone. The foundations have been set and the future should be the focus.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:32 am 
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moshe25 wrote:
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So the logic seems to be that we haven’t had a decent recruiter in the modern era and then we got one and he rebuilt the list in 4 years to one that most wannabe coaches drool over but we should get rid of him because he didn’t nail pick 273 in draft x?

Every recruiter has misses all over the place.

We finally have one who understands how to extract maximum value out of the bulk of his resources and we want to try someone else who may or may not work?

And yet Stephen Wells has been at Geelong for a couple of decades and is widely regarded as a genius despite being handed three once in a lifetime father son selections and @#$%&! up endless early picks.

Every recruiter has misses. It’s the overall picture over time that matters. Nothing else.

This is why my club is eternally stupid.

Where is this laundry list of Wells’ dud early picks?


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David Spriggs
Ezra Bray
Kane Tenace
Mitch Brown
Billie Smedts
Jackson Thurlow
Darcy Lang



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Saddest thing about that list is that our recruiting was so bad that two of them ended up with us after they’d bombed out at the Cats.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:36 am 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Before they sack Silvagni how about they sack ppl behind hiring Bolton... and yes I mean everyone. Trig has gone-what about the rest?


They put the HR guy on the board! :lol: :sad:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:19 am 
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GWS wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
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So the logic seems to be that we haven’t had a decent recruiter in the modern era and then we got one and he rebuilt the list in 4 years to one that most wannabe coaches drool over but we should get rid of him because he didn’t nail pick 273 in draft x?

Every recruiter has misses all over the place.

We finally have one who understands how to extract maximum value out of the bulk of his resources and we want to try someone else who may or may not work?

And yet Stephen Wells has been at Geelong for a couple of decades and is widely regarded as a genius despite being handed three once in a lifetime father son selections and @#$%&! up endless early picks.

Every recruiter has misses. It’s the overall picture over time that matters. Nothing else.

This is why my club is eternally stupid.

Where is this laundry list of Wells’ dud early picks?


1st round only:

David Spriggs
Ezra Bray
Kane Tenace
Mitch Brown
Billie Smedts
Jackson Thurlow
Darcy Lang



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Saddest thing about that list is that our recruiting was so bad that two of them ended up with us after they’d bombed out at the Cats.

Three of them actually.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:21 am 
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GWS wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
Crusader wrote:
GWS wrote:
So the logic seems to be that we haven’t had a decent recruiter in the modern era and then we got one and he rebuilt the list in 4 years to one that most wannabe coaches drool over but we should get rid of him because he didn’t nail pick 273 in draft x?

Every recruiter has misses all over the place.

We finally have one who understands how to extract maximum value out of the bulk of his resources and we want to try someone else who may or may not work?

And yet Stephen Wells has been at Geelong for a couple of decades and is widely regarded as a genius despite being handed three once in a lifetime father son selections and @#$%&! up endless early picks.

Every recruiter has misses. It’s the overall picture over time that matters. Nothing else.

This is why my club is eternally stupid.

Where is this laundry list of Wells’ dud early picks?


1st round only:

David Spriggs
Ezra Bray
Kane Tenace
Mitch Brown
Billie Smedts
Jackson Thurlow
Darcy Lang



Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk


Saddest thing about that list is that our recruiting was so bad that two of them ended up with us after they’d bombed out at the Cats.

Don't forget Ezra!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:32 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Who hired Bolton?
Was that Stephen Silvagni’s fault as well?

How many premiership coaches are there over last 50 years who have not played at AFL level?
I think it is zero... unless I am mistaken.

So that is quite a gamble betting on going against 50 years plus of evidence. And the clowns stuck with Bolton after the evidence of his coaching was in.

“But in the NFL Bellichick has led the Patriots to blah, blah, blah..,”

Australian football is the toughest, most physically challenging football code in the world. In this game, you want someone who has been in the trenches too. NFL is far more a tacticians game... so using the Bellichick argument doesn’t wash.


Bolton? Isn't this a thread about Silvagni?
FWIW, I thought Bolton was the perfect choicest the right time.
We needed someone who could hold the club together while we totally dismantled and rebuilt the list. Bolton did that.
He also put game time into the kids that will pay off in years to come.

As for playing coaches that haven't played AFL, that's a rubbish argument IMO. The record exists because very few have been given the opportunity. For every coach who hasn't succeeded with out playing AFL, I'd suggest there's another 5 unsuccessful coaches who have played AFL.
Warwick Capper played 100+ games, would that make him a better coach than Bolton? Move on, Bolton did what was required and he's gone. The foundations have been set and the future should be the focus.


The CEO that we presently have stated that if Bolton goes - he also wants Silvagni to go...that is why it is linked.

I never trusted Bolton. It didn't seem like a good fit for me ever....but horses for courses. I can understand why people liked him as the media went on about him being involved in "education" he's an educator... and then also due to the Hawthorn link.

It is ok, but we will have to agree to disagree on the AFL experience aspect.

There have been enough non-AFL playing coaches to gather evidence:
Cahill- Collingwood - great SA record...faultless - but never played at AFL level.
Wayne Brittain
Col Kinnear
Brendan Bolton
Bob Hammond
etc.

And put it this way-would you run through a brick wall for Ron Barassi when he was coaching in 1967-70 seeing he had impacted so many grand finals and could lead by example?
Or would you run through a brick wall for a teacher from Tasmania who had an in-depth talent is sprouting double cliches.
"People, you've got to bring them with you, (and) process is about getting the job done," said Bolton.

say it with fewer words - "I am going to bloody well bring people with me. Full stop."
"process is about getting the job done" wtf. cut the cliches.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:38 am 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Before they sack Silvagni how about they sack ppl behind hiring Bolton... and yes I mean everyone. Trig has gone-what about the rest?


They put the HR guy on the board! :lol: :sad:



Exactly. Says it all. He gets a promotion and more power, whilst Silvagni pays.

Silvagni is the easy target.

For what it is worth, the highlight for me in the whole draft thing was watching Silvagni's eyes light up when he watched Brodie Kemp at that moment his name was called out - Kemp- Carlton. Silvagni has the killer look, he keeps his cards closely to his chest..but at that moment the Italian venom shone through. Loved it. That is confirmation enough for me that Kemp - injuries aside- should be a good AFL player.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:01 am 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Who hired Bolton?
Was that Stephen Silvagni’s fault as well?

How many premiership coaches are there over last 50 years who have not played at AFL level?
I think it is zero... unless I am mistaken.

So that is quite a gamble betting on going against 50 years plus of evidence. And the clowns stuck with Bolton after the evidence of his coaching was in.

“But in the NFL Bellichick has led the Patriots to blah, blah, blah..,”

Australian football is the toughest, most physically challenging football code in the world. In this game, you want someone who has been in the trenches too. NFL is far more a tacticians game... so using the Bellichick argument doesn’t wash.


Bolton? Isn't this a thread about Silvagni?
FWIW, I thought Bolton was the perfect choicest the right time.
We needed someone who could hold the club together while we totally dismantled and rebuilt the list. Bolton did that.
He also put game time into the kids that will pay off in years to come.

As for playing coaches that haven't played AFL, that's a rubbish argument IMO. The record exists because very few have been given the opportunity. For every coach who hasn't succeeded with out playing AFL, I'd suggest there's another 5 unsuccessful coaches who have played AFL.
Warwick Capper played 100+ games, would that make him a better coach than Bolton? Move on, Bolton did what was required and he's gone. The foundations have been set and the future should be the focus.


The CEO that we presently have stated that if Bolton goes - he also wants Silvagni to go...that is why it is linked.


Where did he say that?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:20 am 
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tap in 79 wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
tap in 79 wrote:
Before they sack Silvagni how about they sack ppl behind hiring Bolton... and yes I mean everyone. Trig has gone-what about the rest?


They put the HR guy on the board! :lol: :sad:



Exactly. Says it all. He gets a promotion and more power, whilst Silvagni pays.

Silvagni is the easy target.

For what it is worth, the highlight for me in the whole draft thing was watching Silvagni's eyes light up when he watched Brodie Kemp at that moment his name was called out - Kemp- Carlton. Silvagni has the killer look, he keeps his cards closely to his chest..but at that moment the Italian venom shone through. Loved it. That is confirmation enough for me that Kemp - injuries aside- should be a good AFL player.


We will seriously be the big losers when he departs. He is just a class act and with now a better recruiting team behind, he could have been even more value with higher picks coming our way. Just a really, really bad business move by the club.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:04 am 
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Gotta love how Silvagni stuck it up the AFL by bidding on players that were expected to go to GWS and Fremantle.

After having the media drivel on about their whole "isn't a romantic story that picks 1 & 2 are going to Gold Coast" "friends for life" etc... on and on the charade went. Fabricated, manipulated competition so that the AFL can get their precious produce to their preferred team.

Sacred cows - Silvagni tarnished the AFL's party. If he's leaving at the end of the year, at least he went out fighting. AFL pushed the Blues' pick back to 9 and all other clubs back a peg or two so that their precious Gold Coast can get "the help they need" and Silvagni said well I am going to use whatever mechanism left to me to get a bit of sweet revenge.

It really is a small victory-as Gold Coast still got pick 1 & 2, and all the other goodies but at least he was fighting.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:56 am 
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I am not sure he did it for sweet revenge as you say but more to advantage Carlton which is what I like about SOS. The process is all about improving Carltons list in amongst the obstacles the AFL places in our way.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:24 am 
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We’ve had so few operators in recent times who actually have the cahunas like SOS to get things done ... insane to let such a person go ... we should be instead developing the best list and recruitment department in the comp around SOS and his innovative ideas ...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:49 am 
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carntheblues wrote:
I am not sure he did it for sweet revenge as you say but more to advantage Carlton which is what I like about SOS. The process is all about improving Carltons list in amongst the obstacles the AFL places in our way.
Go Blues!
This....

Love someone to show me where they had a trade involving an early first round pick into 3 first round picks?? (with or without arguing about the calibre of WHO we picked).

There are always some bone-headed trades suggested during trade time, but not even those guys would have suggested that.
On this alo e, SOS stands out by a mile....

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I'm surprised people can't see the problem with the list manager having two (soon to be three) sons on the list.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:15 pm 
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I'm surprised people can't see the problem with the list manager having two (soon to be three) sons on the list.


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There was a fourth Douglas son, Mike, but he went the way of Chuck Cunningham, went up the stairs at the end of season 4 and was never seen again.


Maybe that’s what happened to SOS’s legendary daughter.

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Rexy wrote:
I'm surprised people can't see the problem with the list manager having two (soon to be three) sons on the list.


I don’t care how many sons on the list he has if the list keeps improving at the rate it has been over the last few years.

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Rexy wrote:
I'm surprised people can't see the problem with the list manager having two (soon to be three) sons on the list.

Pending bids by Freo or GWS

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