Thanks.
One tries.
Yours was awesome too.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

He was bought in to oversee our list rebuild and he's virtually completed the drafting phase of it. It's now about bringing in free agents. Perhaps that is someone elses strength.
I'll be happy to see him move on and let his sons make their way at the club.

As for Liddle, I think he's been great value. I believe the club is progressing well and nothing I've read or heard leads me to see anything different to that.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Too many chiefs in the workplace

I agree with this for the most part.

But Liddle needs to stay out of list management decisions and let the people hired to do their job, actually do it. MLG and the board need to make that clear that Liddle's remit is to oversee the off-field operations of the club and make us stronger, and not get involved in footy decisions.

If Brad Lloyd wishes to give his $0.02 and have power to overrule, that's fine (though not preferred) given he has the background and List Management directly reports to him. But that's as far as intervention from the top should go.

If SOS moves on I'll be disappointed but it could be for the best in the long run. The hard work is done and it's now about refining the edges, which has been more of a struggle. But also to allow his sons to forge their own careers without any distractions or rumblings of nepotism (I struggle to view the choice of Finbar over Stack as anything but surrounding BSOS with friends rather than 'bad influences'). It could also help us to have someone less public in the role, as I couldn't imagine another list manager's departure being front page news, and I think we've all had it with our personnel being dragged through the mud.

But if SOS leaves it should be on his own terms and not because of his position being undermined. That's grubby.

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

A few getting sucked in by the media doom and gloom surrounding this I reckon. We will survive a SOS departure, life will go on. Liddle walking out would reflect more poorly on us.

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"I had to eat"

You don’t interfere or do things, that directly impacts other managers roles or departments, without their knowledge, no matter what position you hold. You discuss with the manager and agree on the outcomes.

Cain Liddle doesn’t operate like this, then he goes before the club is riddled with negativity.

It's a Carlton thing. It has always been this way unfortunately.
After the positive momentum from mid season it is disappointing that this is happening.
I think SOS has done a great job but it has been obvious that something was not quite right during the last trade period and leading up to it.

MLG you almost had us believing the hype
2 steps forward and 1 step back ...... we still haven't got it right and by the looks of it (and gee I hope I'm wrong) we have a long way to go.

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"IF YOU FAIL TO PREPARE, YOU'RE PREPARED TO FAIL" - Mark Spitz

Maybe Liddle did speak to SOS and SOS didn’t like it?

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

Not surprising given the quality of barass70’s info in relation to trade matters.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

So it would be ok for Liddle to discuss the option of recruiting Ellis with SOS. SOS was against it (which he wasn’t but let’s go with it) and then Liddle proceeded to show Ellis around the club even though SOS wasn’t behind it and you are saying that is ok?

Why is everyone jumping at shadows?

At this stage it is just speculation and rumour.

Relax

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No Guts, No Glory

Before sos cAme how many drafts and trades were stuffed up ?

How quickly we forget , sos is major factor to this rebuild and us believing again

2015 draft is going to be look back as the draft we nailed and gave us sustained success
And the reason you stay at the top is a consistent list manager , Stephen wells Geelong and greame Wright hawks ,

Sos leaves major disruption. For Carlton

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#sayerscouldbetheman!!

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

The incorrect key assumption (that SOS wasn’t supportive of an Ellis move) means your argument is flawed.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

What a ridiculous statement, if someone isn't performing to expectations why can't he be held accountable or even be removed just like any other employee? Otherwise, Lloyd and Liddle would be derelict in their roles

SOS isn't being undermined, he doesn't like his decisions being questioned, he's been used to total control with MLG as president...

There's talent on the list but there is way too many flower ups and baffling trades/draft choices for SOS to escape the scrutiny

The irony is SOS has supported the removal of others who have questioned him

The Silvagni name is Carlton royalty, however this is the Carlton Football Club

Football Cubs are a boys club its not a Carlton thing.

Exactly.

All this over a HS article and a few ITK's throwing their support behind SOS.

If its SOS decision to end his tenure a year earlier than planned, so be it.

The list is in good shape.

Questions will be thrown at Liddle from the media, and he will have to respond.
I look forward to that time. Should make things clearer.

Its a boring time of the year and this is the only discussion piece now that the Martin debate has been done to death.
Seems to me the same thing is happening with the SOS Liddle situation.

Robust discussion is good....and we have the 2020 Teague Train commence duties last Monday.
Exciting times ahead.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

So true

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

You do realise that there were 2 players (Ellis and Butler) from one particular ex club our CEO came from (Richmond) that all but thought they would be at Carlton in 2020, without the list managers approval?