24 hours later and I am pretty disappointed with the club.
When SOS was appointed it was well known that he had 3 sons coming through the system likely to be drafted, Something must have happened for the club to act and not renew his contract. If it wasn't a problem then why is it now? The conflict of interest was always going to be an issue.
This is so typical of Carlton. Just when it looks like we have finally turned the corner something like this happens.
We are once again the laughing stock of the competition.
I feel for Jack and Ben, and only time will tell how much this will impact on their futures.
A dis-jointed club will never be successful, when will we ever learn.

When you look holistically at what Liddle has done to the footy dept since he’s arrived, he’s basically changed all key personnel in 24 months. Out McKay, in Lloyd for head of the footy dept. Out Joel Hocking, in Russell for head of conditioning / high performance. Out Bolts, in Teague as senior coach. Not many would question the first three moves: they are all big upgrades and were much needed. The toughest move is to get rid of SOS because unlike those others he’s (in many of our views) performed his role well and obviously he’s much loved for his playing career. I don’t buy into the conflict rationale for SOS’s departure. Yes, there’s a conflict but there has been for some time and it wasn’t acted upon so why now? I hope this move is genuinely being made for the benefit of the club and not just so Liddle can put in place someone he can control. Only time will tell. I suspect the rationale won’t really matter if we start winning but it may if things don’t go to plan

I really like this post.

I barrack for the Carlton Football Team ... and SOS made me feel good about my team.

Next person better be as good ... at the very least, good.

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That's better. Like us, Bleed Navy Blue ... coz they are players ... for SOS its business, not sport. He's proven that since he retired.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

spot on Keogh, well said

but become a member

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my last one was rubbish

Personally I think SOS has been good for the club during our rebuild. He has engineered good picks for us and addressed most needs for the betterment of the list as a whole (mature A-grade mids is my only issue). He has also understood the need to have mature players around the kids, better or worse than we already had (that will be subjected to individual opinion). The fact is the list needed the turnover of matures we had and to the scale we had or the only other option was to have all kids, which was not an option for the financial stability of the club. So if you agreed or disagreed on his mature recruiting selections, we still needed to take a hit during the process. Overall I think he has been good for the club and I am disappointed to see him go.

There needs to be processes and hierarchy in a club, as any business and if they are not being adhered to or someone has too much weight, then change is needed for the future development of the organisation. However, if you believe the ITK's and the reason for him going I think there is a massive issue if marketing and financial gain can control operations and the natural growth of the club. And the obvious reason is if these marketing stunts don't produce on-field results, we will then be going backwards, again.

But my biggest problem here is while the premise of SOS's departure is due to a conflict of interest, they have spun his tenure length as a form of club stability. Which in a sense is good if we all know nothing else. But when you get ITK's on her posting the clubs dirty laundry so the media scum can jump on read them then make BS articles driven by assumption and click bait headlines, it makes the club look as dysfunctional as ever. If the marketing department want to drive memberships then they better have a good PR department to stop this nonsense and some people in the know need to be sanctioned or removed from the inner circle for propelling this.

As I have said before the draft, the old Carlton is rearing it's ugly head again and the board need to realise this and start making positive changes to the way we do things. i.e. sacking coaches mid season (needed or not), this BS with SOS and putting memberships sales and profits over the long term stability of the club. Especially in the public eye.

So if Liddle is overstepping his mark then he should go too. Because as supporters how can we expect on-field unity if the off-field team can't even get their s@#t together.

When SOS took on the List Manager's role there was always going to be a conflict of interest when it came to the potential selection of his 3 sons: Jack, Ben & Tom.

When their names were up for grabs in the draft, SOS stood aside and left that to others to decide to avoid the issue.

5 years later and the discussion that takes place with regards to SOS' 2 sons on the list is much more different to selecting them. There needs to be robust, open discussion about them on the list, to retain, or trade or delist, as with every player. There lies the conflict.

eg there will be discussions whether to keep player A or Jack to play a similar role. This is the job of the List Manager. He can't just step outside the room when disussions take place about his son, because there's other players involved in the discussion.

List has been stripped back and rebuilt, like never before.
SOS has done his job.

Next draft the aim is again ready made players through Trading our 2020 and 2021 first and 2nd round picks, or FA. There is a 'live' list of targets in contract and out of contract whether SOS remains or not, this list will continue to exist and targeted.

SOS been offered a different role with the club which he has declined.

Time to move Forward. Yes, Forward. Just hope SOS doesn't become List Manager with another club and disrails our opportunity with some of our targets next year.

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Agree. Decisions have been made and time to move on.

To control the narrative you need to be in control of the issue, there is no way that we could move SOS on until after the draft and I suspect that SOS had a broad power base around the club under the guise of GM of strategy that Liddle has appointed others to perform.

I guarantee you that if we have a reasonable season next year, no-one will be questioning the management of the club, the mainstream media has already moved on and only those passionate about the club are still discussing this.

It seems that John Elliot has weighed into it and said something on radio for which he soon apologised for.
SOS is apparently angry with the club for bringing his boys into it.
It has not been a good week for the club.

Didn't Jack S bring himself into it?

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

I’m just entertained by the thought that BRANDON ELLIS killed SOS @ Carlton

Yep. SOS could easily defuse the situation by saying he was out of contract and it was time to move on. The more negative comments he makes, the more it keeps his sons in the spotlight.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

disagree. the next person has to be better. noticeably better. bcos if we're not improving & evolving, we're going backwards.

I thought sos did an amazing job at turning over our list and drafting. i have no idea of the inside workings of the club ... but losing sos wreaks of us once again taking 1 small step forward (our late season burst under teague) and 2 large steps back thanks to more backroom egos

I agree - next person needs to be vastly better not just good. I don't want mediocre - SOS has put so much talent through the door through a gut wrenching rebuild that the next person needs to be vastly superior or it's Liddle's head.

Targets down, patch out.

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I think they meant that the club used his boys as the reason for his departure.

Yep ,thats correct Kezz.....................reason they are getting rid of him has nothing to do with his sons.Truth is they don't believe he has done a particularly good job and want someone better.Rightly or wrongly thats why SOS is out the door.............i mean,bringing his sons into it is questioning SOS's honesty and integrity.Dunno about you Kezz,but i would be happy for people to question anything about me including my sanity.........BUT..........i value my honesty and integrity above all else and i would fight to the death to defend it..............yeah,we know SOS is a pigheaded stubborn BAS but once his honesty and integrity is questioned i would be going ape dropping's myself.....................the way this has been handled has me deflated beyond belief.I am a huge wrap for the handwork and dedication of Marco LoGo but he has slinked out the back door instead of being front and centre like a true leader.If intends to chuck the towel in at the end of next season he may as well go now and let the next aspiring head honcho take the reigns............sticking around will only fuel those who do anything and everything to bring us down.........time for a change now for mine.

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This is exactly why he’s out the door, and the club would be correct....

The club had two choices... release a more honest statement about SOS’s departure, which wouldn’t have been a good look for SOS or the club, or go the way they did with the conflict of interest..

The club might have even given SOS the choice on the narrative...