No I’m not
How does Deluca help our future midfield depth
Look through all the premiership teams of the last 5 years ten years
The team is not littered with top 30 picks

Has Sos pick some gems from anywhere else
Pickett provides more depth to the midfield
Could get 4 years out of him
Deluca is a limited footballer
What else does he provide other than forward tackling pressure

I reckon with a lot of supporters and maybe your one of them you only look at your team
There are 17 others
Richmond wouldn’t have won Friday night if it wasn’t for their depth and many players in that team
arnt top 30 picks Lynch had a great game but there not a one man team
I’m not emotional about Sos and it doesn’t cloud my judgment about him
I’m comparing how we recruit compared to other teams
In certain areas we fall short in recruiting compared to other teams


Do you watch other games?
Have you watched all the finals?
Many supporters don’t and probably many posters in this site don’t if you look at some of the biased rubbish they write
Next year depending on all of the intangibles like injuries team harmony form etc
of all 18 clubs we could finish from bottom of the eight till last
But in the big games and business end time the luck factor isn’t as great and every weakness gets exposed
Geelong no ruckman lack pace
Essendon* poor depth
Collingwood lack of a big key forward

To win a flag every trade and pick is crucial
Our list has too many flanker types who lack pace
Our future midfield is not convincing yes too early to call but Dow and co are behind in their development

EFA...again

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Totally agree

Unfortunately, Keogh is anchored to all that WAS wrong and refuses to accept that the club (as an off field organisation) is at its best point since the introduction of the AFL

PS...any hints of the '"better ones on the way"

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I just did a search on your previous posts. No mention of him until after the selections.

FWIW, I suspect SOS has his eyes elsewhere at the moment. West Coast will have to acquire picks to get Kelly over the line and I suspect we're looking to get into the negotiation. Perhaps giving WC our future first for the right price.

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Based on your argument keogh DeKonning is a dud too.

He was selected to be our No 1 ruckman, and at 20yo hasnt done , based on your argument, therefore he's a dud.

The kids you are writing off are Setterfield, Dow, OBrien, Stocker, SPS, Fisher, Kennedy.
Of that lot Kennedy is the oldest at 22yo and Stocker is only 19yo.

To be an inside mid, a player needs to develop the body that supports the role.

Give the kids the chance to develop into that role before writing them off.

Only freaks strut their stuff from that age. Kids like....not many....Walsh.

You're too harsh on the selections SOS has made. Most will come good.

Its unfortunate that Carlton decided to strip the whole team back and start again 4 years ago, 5 drafts including the upcoming one.
Other clubs have already started with a base to add to, and pick on need.
Carlton have needed to fill every line and are still focussed on that.

Its not as bad as you make out.
Every recruiter makes mistakes. Like you, I was spewing with the OShea retreads instead of state leagues. That's years ago now.
We've gone through that and have done the hard yards.

We will rise up the ladder in 2020. Put your money on it. Might even make finals with the kids leading the way.

Lets hope we get an experienced small forward and an experienced midfielder to add to the midfield group, and lessen the load on the kids.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Gaff is a Vic but will be 28 next year.

Shuey is a Vic but will turn 30.

Yeo turns 27 at the end of the year comes from WA.

Petrucelle is a Vic and will only be 21.

Williams is a Vic (and a ruck) and will only be 20. Never played a game so can't be rated.

Gaff and Shuey are too old. Yeo is a gun.

Or a speedster such as Petrucelle with steak knives Williams.


IMHO.

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I reckon DeKoning could be very good
Big guys take time
I’m sure he would have played seniors if he had not been injured

Agree
That’s why we have forums

OK I'll bite.

Firstly, most premiership sides core players are top 20 picks

WC Eagles
Sheed 11
Kenedey 4
Shuey 18
Hurn 13
Gaff 4
Naitanui 2
Darling 26 (PP Pick)

Richmond
Prestia 5
Martin 3
Cotchin 2
Riewoldt 13
Rance 18 (PP)
Ellis 15
Conca 6

Doggies
Bontempelli 4
Smith 7
Macrae 6
Stinger 5
Wallis 22
Crozier 20
Boyd 1

Hawthorn
Hodge 1 (PP)
Lewis 7
Roughhead 2
Smith 19
Burgoyne 12
Birchall 14
Rioli 12
McEvoy 9
Schoenmakers 16
Hale 7
Frawley 12

Point 2 seeing as you want to go there.

I watch around 60-80 games per season on average with around 12 games live. I just don't cherry pick drafts or trades from other teams to prove a point, but much rather look at the list strategy as a whole.

There are still many holes on our list, however the plan IMHO has been mostly been successful, we have used our high end picks for key talls Harry, Weitering, Curnow first year of rebuild.
Build backline second year with Marchbank, Macreadie, Williamson and some mids in Samo & Fisher.
Third year start building mids with Dow, O'Brien, Kennedy, Lang and plugging holes DeKoning, Lobbe, Schumacher
Fourth year more mids Walsh, Setterfield, Stoker, Gibbons plus McGovern as trade request

All the premiership teams have built there list over a very long period of time, in most cases 10 years and we are in the same category.

We have a massive hole in the 26-30 age bracket so you can either trade your way to fill it or keep refining the list until the likes of Harry, Curnow, Cripps, Wieters, Doc, Marchbank get there naturally in the next few years.

Have other teams found a steal in the draft, sure and for most of those steals it is a risk reward metric that only the teams that have a mostly complete list can afford to make (i.e Richmond with Stack).

For all your carrying on, please show me where SOS has used quality picks for rubbish players, my guess is you can't

Richmond eh ?

Did you know that since SOS arrived he's had 53 picks for 1048 games at 19.8 vs Richmond 32/568/17.8? Draftiong is like picking the Melbourne Cup winner. Someone will do well for a few years then they'll be hopeless for other years .

Anyway, its not really apples to pears comparison. Richmond are in a much different position to us. There core midfield are years ahead of the players you want to throw away. They can take punts on specific type players because of their list. Not to mention Hardwick was smart enough/lucky enough to change his game style to match the players he had .

These are the Richmond players drafted prior to SOS starting . Don't you think our list would be better if that was the foundation?

2006 Jack Riewoldt Shane Edwards
2007 Trent Cotchin Alex Rance
2009 Dustin Martin David Astbury Dylan Grimes
2010 Shaun Grigg Bachar Houli
2011 Brandon Ellis
2012 Nick Vlastuin Kamdyn McIntosh
2014 Connor Menadue Dan Butler Jayden Short Jason Castagna Kane Lambert Ivan Soldo

They traded well for Josh Caddy, Toby Nankervis & Dion Prestia. And got AFL approved FA assistance with Lynch.

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EFA...more like the 104th iteration of a Newton-Raphson approximation problem

The patient posters await iteration 105

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Thanks for making the effort.

That sorts out one fallacy

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Thats 18 player head start, minus Simpson, Murphy Kreuzer Ed Jones and Cripps. 12 head start.

Thanks for the effort and the reality check

Carlton, with SOS have stripped back a list and rebuilt it in record time.

Respect the list, albeit young

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Lethal Leigh thinks Carlton is one of two teams likely to jump up the ladder like Brizzy did this tear, but acknowledges the Blues are a bit younger.

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So you’ve written Setterfield off as an inside mid after his first full season post a knee reco? How many games had Zac Williams played as an inside mid before the prelim?

Kennedy for 28
Kennedy isn’t rubbish as a third tall forward but he is rubbish as an inside mid
Dow early days but the guy doesn’t find the footy much picks 3
Other recruiters were surprised OBrien went at 10
Softer than warm marshmallows
And softness has nothing to do with age or body shape
Ask Selwood and Simpson
Mc Govern is so @#$%&! overrated for picks 26 and 28
Even if McAdam turns out shit his 2 Nd and 3rd efforts are non existent even when he isn’t fat
Some of the blokes you listed didn’t play In the Grand Final
And while your reading list all 22 and where they came from
Tells a far clearer picture about depth

So you have no doubts about him adding grunt
Over to you?

Just on Mc Govern
Having been a personal trainer and a Phys Ed teacher with a major in Biomechanics I have some knowledge about elite athletes
MC Govern is obviously a power athlete
What that means is this
We all have two types of muscle fibres fast and slow twitching
If you have more slow twitching you are suited to endurance events
Mc Govern is the obviously the opposite
That’s why he looks a million dollars when he goes go those speccies
He has explosive power

Here is the thing
A marathon runner can’t really improve his speed or more specifically his anaerobic capacity
But the opposite applies to a power athlete like McGovern
He clearly has been lazy before he busted his back pre season in his previous years at the Crows
Doesn’t work hard enough to make himself better

Yep I was a bit of a flower at 24 but with all the fitness people at these players disposal I find it staggering that a guy can be 5 kilos overweight in elite sport let alone not fit enough aerobically to play the game

Just a thought dudes

Weird.

I always thought you were an English teacher.

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