I made this mistake of reading afl.com.au's "winners and losers" list (spoiler alert: we came last), and it's clear they rate trade hauls purely on which teams provide the most entertainment and things to write about.

St Kilda gave up good players to receive good players, and left themselves SFA in the draft = A+
* brought in two fringe players and kept two guns who don't want to be there = A+

We essentially swapped a 28 year old backup ruck for a 23 year old version, brought Eddie back for peanuts, and after refusing to get bent over will likely collect one of our missed targets for free = F-

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Brilliant stuff!

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SOS on SEN
https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=447052

I also call bullshit on the whole "no-one will nominate Carlton in future because they can't get deals done", because any player and/or manager with common sense will see that both Papley and Martin nominated us, and it was the stubbornness of their own clubs (or clubs they were dealing with) that kept them from moving.

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Thanks for outlining it like that.
It explains why SOS is all smiles.

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It's called a brave face. Safe to assume that behind those smiles he is seething.

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Aah.
So I see you are also the master of understatement.

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Won’t be easy for Daniher, Papley or Wines to walk back into their clubrooms. Other players will remember that we were a central part of what went wrong. Assurances were made.

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The issue for me is we have been building to this point of the build since the 2015 draft. We got the kids in. They look good. No problem there.

We banked salary cap. All good.

We have our contracts in order. Really on small fry Polson wasting list space. That’s great.

The pick swap worked great. We had a valuable pick 9.

All ticks.

But I think we targeted the wrong player in Papley. That’s a recruitment and list management error. We chose a target that was too hard to extract and somehow got tangled with the notoriously difficult Essendon* list manager. It’s just a mistake to have gone for Papley in that situation.

I thought we needed
Mid
Small forward
Ruck

We didn’t really solve any of those long term. Pittonet is a maybe. Betts is short term. We are still short in the midfield.

And we now might get ourselves tangled with too many picks in what is meant to be a poor draft locking in players to the list for two years from the draft which was not our intent. We weren’t after more kids. We also wasted the banked cap.

Oh well. I guess I can look forward to the draft now.

You keep suggesting Carlton are the culprits, and assurances were made...by whom? based on what?

I keep hearing and reading otherwise:

Here in Sydney supporters are as shitty as hell with their recruiting team and Longmire.
They promised plenty of activity this trade period to replenish an ageing midfield, and instead dangled a loyal leader for trade who has family needs to attend to back home, which the club is aware of, plus a Melbourne partner. All they have shown is a lack of compassion and a loss of Jones and a "midget" from Brizzy....nothing about carlton. In fact, they suggest if the recruiters were good they could've done plenty with pick 9, including finding a midfield gem to develop over next 3 years. Sdney were happy with Pick 9. They gave the assurances, we were just the club of choice. No assurances from carlton for a contracted player.

Everyone knows that Dodoro changed his position later in the piece and asked for more, hence the pieces expected to fall didn't, and the Swans and GCS wanted more than the initial agreement made. GCS wanted a first rounder and a future 2nd for a player who was out of contract, dropped in the latter part of the season in the bottom team. Lets see what happens with Martin...maybe he knows the landscape and both parties agreed he'd go to the PSD if an agreement couldn't be reached.

As for Wines, refer the Herald sun suggesting there was more than Carlton Wines was shopped around to. Nothing about assurances involved here. And there's no proof Carlton leaked the news about Wines. Note, Carlton didnt approach Wines.

In the end players wanted to come to Carlton:

Betts (turned down a lucrative 3 year offer from GCS)
Martin (after his contract expired at GCS)
Papley (whilst still in contract also had suitors in NM)
Pinnotet
Talia AA had his manager contact Carlton, but we have KBP covered
Jacobs wanted Carlton but a 2 year contract was not on offer
Butler was keen
Cutler was keen
Wines

There's noise that other Crows were interested too.

I didn't see any requests to leave Carlton other than the one we encouraged in Philips.
Casboult stayed too on a 1 year offer rather than go up north on a longer contract.

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Not sure what assurances Carlton gave Wines or Daniher. That’s a very long bow.

Keep it to Papley if that’s the argument.

The only assurance Swans gave Carlton, and Papley, was that Papley would be traded if Daniher was traded in from the drug cheats aka *.

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Agresta with his take

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019 ... ur-options

As always, doesn't give much away.

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FWIW the HUN gave us a B.

Daniher isn't even on the board if Papley isn't full steam ahead. That's us, not Sydney, not Essendon*.

Papley didn't just wake up one morning and decide he was going to leave Sydney and head to Carlton.

Footy is a business, and these blokes will be equipped enough to handle a period with their tail between their legs, but we are a club that has now gone into a threepeat of trade periods, supposedly armed to the teeth, and come home with scraps.

Wanting to come to Carlton is one thing, wanting to go through the stuff around with a team that can't get the deal done is altogether different.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

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WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

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You're a legend Donstuie

As Wojee said earlier, we have improved our list after the draft and kept our 2019 (Top 10) and 2020 1st Round picks.

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That's not what SOS said.
He said #9 'was involved'.
Of course Red Pill is 'in the know' so we automatically believe everything do we?

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oh boy sombrero..it's an internet forum..stop stressing about who knows what & just take things for what they are - rumours on an internet forum

Good advice