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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:34 pm 
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blue5 wrote:
Just had a look at draft points....maybe we speak to the lions.

7 & 27 = 2347
18,19 & 38 = 2398

Would we do that? Use 19 on Saad (which is about right) and package the 18, 38 for a midfielder?

I'm sure it's an alternative to the Geelong option.
But I'd think we'd expect more 'premium' for trading down.
Eg just 18&19 for 7 puts us about 275 in front which I'd think is par for these deals.
If Geelong win tonight the picks those two have will change too.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:22 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
blue5 wrote:
Thoughts...

Pick 7 to Geelong for 15 & 16

16 to Essendon*** for Saad

15, 27 & 45 to Collingwood
Collingwood send 27 & Treloar to Melbourne
Melbourne sends Oliver to Carlton



End Result.
We lose 7, 27 & 45 and gain Oliver & Saad
Collingwood gain cap relief, 15 & 45, lose Treloar
Melbourne gains Treloar (outside run they need) and 27, lose Oliver.
Geelong gains pick 7 from 15 & 16.


Would do that in a flash, but can't see 7, 27 & 45 netting us Saad and Oliver.
Melbourne may like the deal. Despite Dodoro's huffing and puffind, he'd take that deal.
Can't see Geelong of Collingwood agreeing.
If we want those 2 picks from Geelong, we'd have give 27 too. We may get something else back from them such as pick 3 or a Narkle or Charlie Constable, but can't see them giving us 2 picks in the teens for 7 alone.
Collingwood may be looking at a salary dump with Treloar, but can't see them accepting 15 and 45 for him. They'd want and will likely get a top 10 pick.
In short, if this trade comes off, we'd have to likely give up 7 & 27 to get Trealoar to Melbourne and for us to get Oliver.
Meaning we'd likely need to give up next years first for Saad. Should we get Saad, Oliver and Williams and factoring in a returning Charlie and Marchy, that pick will almost certainly be in the teens which is about fair value for Saad.


anything that gets one of oliver/wines and saad to the club, im all for. If it means it costs us 7 & 27, and next year 1st .. its picks well spent.

Its that last line (and ive stated it somewhere else)

Williams, Saad, Oliver or Wines, a Fit Curnow, a Fit Marchbank, a Fit Newman and importantly a Fit Cripps .. are 7 of the starting 18 that is improved on what we had this year. that is an oustanding outcome.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:49 pm 
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ScottSaunders2 wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
blue5 wrote:
Thoughts...

Pick 7 to Geelong for 15 & 16

16 to Essendon**** for Saad

15, 27 & 45 to Collingwood
Collingwood send 27 & Treloar to Melbourne
Melbourne sends Oliver to Carlton



End Result.
We lose 7, 27 & 45 and gain Oliver & Saad
Collingwood gain cap relief, 15 & 45, lose Treloar
Melbourne gains Treloar (outside run they need) and 27, lose Oliver.
Geelong gains pick 7 from 15 & 16.


Would do that in a flash, but can't see 7, 27 & 45 netting us Saad and Oliver.
Melbourne may like the deal. Despite Dodoro's huffing and puffind, he'd take that deal.
Can't see Geelong of Collingwood agreeing.
If we want those 2 picks from Geelong, we'd have give 27 too. We may get something else back from them such as pick 3 or a Narkle or Charlie Constable, but can't see them giving us 2 picks in the teens for 7 alone.
Collingwood may be looking at a salary dump with Treloar, but can't see them accepting 15 and 45 for him. They'd want and will likely get a top 10 pick.
In short, if this trade comes off, we'd have to likely give up 7 & 27 to get Trealoar to Melbourne and for us to get Oliver.
Meaning we'd likely need to give up next years first for Saad. Should we get Saad, Oliver and Williams and factoring in a returning Charlie and Marchy, that pick will almost certainly be in the teens which is about fair value for Saad.


anything that gets one of oliver/wines and saad to the club, im all for. If it means it costs us 7 & 27, and next year 1st .. its picks well spent.

Its that last line (and ive stated it somewhere else)

Williams, Saad, Oliver or Wines, a Fit Curnow, a Fit Marchbank, a Fit Newman and importantly a Fit Cripps .. are 7 of the starting 18 that is improved on what we had this year. that is an oustanding outcome.



Yes that would be a great outcome for the club, hopefully translate to at least a finals appearance.
In turn would help attracting another quality big fish FA next trading period.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:47 am 
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The assumption in all this is that Geelong or Brisbane will swap their 2 later first round picks to us for 7, which they may not be a given since they both have other player trades they are reportedly into.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:57 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
The assumption in all this is that Geelong or Brisbane will swap their 2 later first round picks to us for 7, which they may not be a given since they both have other player trades they are reportedly into.


That's true, but what happens if they don't swap 2 first for our pick 7?

If Oliver is indeed a strong possibility, which means he is adamant he doesn't want to play for Dees next year, we have to find out how dees feel about pick 7 and next year's first rounder.

if they want more we can add LOB (former pick 10) and see how they react.

If not, then its a lost cause and in the too hard basket, so we focus on other players.

If the Dees accept then Effendrug* has to accept this year's pick 27, and if they squirm and we are prepared to give them our 3rd rounder, so be it, otherwise Saad walks to the PSD with a price on his head.

If that becomes an issue then we may trade Kennedy for a 2nd rounder and offer 2 x 2nd round picks to Effendumb*

I think we will get there in the end, like we did last year, and pick 7 get us another good player, one way or another.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:08 pm 
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Out of interest:
Lachie Neal - pick #58
Nat Fyfe - pick #20
Tom Mitchell - pick #21
Dustin Martin - pick #3
Patrick Dangerfield - pick #10
Matt Priddis - pick #31
Gary Ablett - pick #40 (Father/Son)
Trent Cotchin - pick #2
Sam Mitchell - pick #36
Dane Swan - pick #58
Chris Judd - pick #3
Adam Cooney - pick #1
Jimmy Bartel - pick #8
Adam Goodes - pick #43
Ben Cousins - Father / Son
Nathan Buckley - Brisbane zone selection
Mark Ricciuto - Adelaide zone selection
Simon Black - pick #31
Jason Akermanis - Brisbane zone selection
Shane Woewodin - pick #18: pre-season draft


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:44 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
Out of interest:
Lachie Neal - pick #58
Nat Fyfe - pick #20
Tom Mitchell - pick #21
Dustin Martin - pick #3
Patrick Dangerfield - pick #10
Matt Priddis - pick #31
Gary Ablett - pick #40 (Father/Son)
Trent Cotchin - pick #2
Sam Mitchell - pick #36
Dane Swan - pick #58
Chris Judd - pick #3
Adam Cooney - pick #1
Jimmy Bartel - pick #8
Adam Goodes - pick #43
Ben Cousins - Father / Son
Nathan Buckley - Brisbane zone selection
Mark Ricciuto - Adelaide zone selection
Simon Black - pick #31
Jason Akermanis - Brisbane zone selection
Shane Woewodin - pick #18: pre-season draft


Look at who the 2 picks #58 are.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:24 pm 
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Do we have pick 58. Lets get it! :grin:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:51 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Do we have pick 58. Lets get it! :grin:

If there was a like function, I’d activate it for your post :smile:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:16 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
The assumption in all this is that Geelong or Brisbane will swap their 2 later first round picks to us for 7, which they may not be a given since they both have other player trades they are reportedly into.


Jeremy Cameron has just nominated Geelong so that makes it tough


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:59 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
The assumption in all this is that Geelong or Brisbane will swap their 2 later first round picks to us for 7, which they may not be a given since they both have other player trades they are reportedly into.


Jeremy Cameron has just nominated Geelong so that makes it tough


Isn't he a free agent though? Unless GWS force a trade, don't see how this changes anything.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:19 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
deano35 wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
The assumption in all this is that Geelong or Brisbane will swap their 2 later first round picks to us for 7, which they may not be a given since they both have other player trades they are reportedly into.


Jeremy Cameron has just nominated Geelong so that makes it tough


Isn't he a free agent though? Unless GWS force a trade, don't see how this changes anything.


It sounds like they will match and force a trade which will impact on us trying to split pick 7 with them.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:30 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
deano35 wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
The assumption in all this is that Geelong or Brisbane will swap their 2 later first round picks to us for 7, which they may not be a given since they both have other player trades they are reportedly into.


Jeremy Cameron has just nominated Geelong so that makes it tough


Isn't he a free agent though? Unless GWS force a trade, don't see how this changes anything.


It sounds like they will match and force a trade which will impact on us trying to split pick 7 with them.


It may make Pick 7 more attractive to them.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:57 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
deano35 wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
deano35 wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
The assumption in all this is that Geelong or Brisbane will swap their 2 later first round picks to us for 7, which they may not be a given since they both have other player trades they are reportedly into.


Jeremy Cameron has just nominated Geelong so that makes it tough


Isn't he a free agent though? Unless GWS force a trade, don't see how this changes anything.


It sounds like they will match and force a trade which will impact on us trying to split pick 7 with them.


It may make Pick 7 more attractive to them.

Why ??
They have 3 of their own.
To get pick 7 from us they would need to give us 2 firsts.
Say we give them 7 for 13 + 18 . They will have 7 + 15 to give to GWS leaving the cats with no 1st rounder.
No chance that will happen IMO


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:21 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
deano35 wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
The assumption in all this is that Geelong or Brisbane will swap their 2 later first round picks to us for 7, which they may not be a given since they both have other player trades they are reportedly into.


Jeremy Cameron has just nominated Geelong so that makes it tough


Isn't he a free agent though? Unless GWS force a trade, don't see how this changes anything.


It sounds like they will match and force a trade which will impact on us trying to split pick 7 with them.


Yep. They have indicated they will match the offer. They may demand players instead of picks. Guess we'll wait and see.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:13 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:

It may make Pick 7 more attractive to them.

Why ??
They have 3 of their own.
To get pick 7 from us they would need to give us 2 firsts.
Say we give them 7 for 13 + 18 . They will have 7 + 15 to give to GWS leaving the cats with no 1st rounder.
No chance that will happen IMO


It's all guesswork. GWS may want a top 10 pick and a player. Who knows what they have in mind but for you to state what Geelong will or wont do at this early stage is foolhardy IMHO.
If GWS match the offer, what they require is what matters.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 9:45 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
deano35 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:

It may make Pick 7 more attractive to them.

Why ??
They have 3 of their own.
To get pick 7 from us they would need to give us 2 firsts.
Say we give them 7 for 13 + 18 . They will have 7 + 15 to give to GWS leaving the cats with no 1st rounder.
No chance that will happen IMO


It's all guesswork. GWS may want a top 10 pick and a player. Who knows what they have in mind but for you to state what Geelong will or wont do at this early stage is foolhardy IMHO.
If GWS match the offer, what they require is what matters.


Where have I stated what Geelong will do as fact !!
I've given you an example as to why I think pick 7 won't be appealing to them.
That's MY OPINION nothing more nothing less.
YOU originally floated the idea of pick 7 being appealing to them so if anyone is FOOLHARDY as you put it its you.
Foolhardy seriously??
Your right its all guesswork and let's see what happens in 3 weeks.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:52 am 
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How dare I float an idea of why pick 7 may be of interest. FWIW, you didn't say pick 7 wouldn't be appealing. You said it was "no chance" so be accurate.
It wasn't my intention to say you are foolhardy but to say disregarding the proposition of pick 7 still being an option is foolhardy.
I have no inside mail and I'm not saying they will want pick 7. I just said it may still be of interest. You're the one who fired back saying it was no chance. We're all just here offering opinions but for posters to come out and state what is "no chance" before negotiations begin is not practical IMHO.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:15 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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How dare I float an idea of why pick 7 may be of interest. FWIW, you didn't say pick 7 wouldn't be appealing. You said it was "no chance" so be accurate.
It wasn't my intention to say you are foolhardy but to say disregarding the proposition of pick 7 still being an option is foolhardy.
I have no inside mail and I'm not saying they will want pick 7. I just said it may still be of interest. You're the one who fired back saying it was no chance. We're all just here offering opinions but for posters to come out and state what is "no chance" before negotiations begin is not practical IMHO.


I think you've mistaken MY OPINION as fact. FWIW I wrote why and also offered up that they have 3 first rd picks to counter why I think it won't be appealing to them
Again show me where I said that its fact that its no chance????
I clearly put its my opinion and even offered up a scenario to back MY OPINION.
I have NO inside knowledge either so am I not allowed to disagree with your opinion that it may interest them.
I think from now on I will have to clearly clarify if I do or don't have knowledge of what's happening.
I have NO INSIDE KNOWLEDGE THIS IS JUST MY OPINION and I disagree with your view that it may interest them :thanks:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Overall Camerons decision to go to Geelong has upped the ante in the trade period. It is going to be very interesting (even captivating) to see how it all plays out.


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