Tom Morris seems convinced we're trading pick 8 for two picks late in the first round.

8 and 39 for 15 and 19 from Brisbane seems too good to be true.
8 and next year's first for 11 and 12 (Coniglio compensation) from GWS seems far too risky.
If Gold Coast get a end of first round priority pick - 8 for Martin and either the Lions' first or the priority pick?

I very much doubt GC are getting an end of first rounder.

Given the seasons they had an more importantly what they actually did and how much they contributed when they were fit and on the field
How is it that Cuningham get a 3 year contract and Gibbons gets a one year rookie contract

In the context that you think their request for pick 2 will get up, or they're getting similar to last year's pittance?

Now that Carlton doesn't impede the AFL's decision making, GCS is gonna get massive help.

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Both come pretty cheap. These aren't the type of contracts you should be worrying about. Cuningham needs to get on the park a bit more, but we've seen what he can do when he's fit. If he gets some consistency...we have a beauty on our hands until age 25.
Cunners wouldn't be making the league average ($371k) which would be pretty rare for a player entering year 5 and a pick 23. He'll get $5k a game plus associated bonuses.

Gibbo's contract for 2020 is an $80k base salary, $4k senior match payments and a $12k bonus if he plays more than 11 games.

Still probably won't be enough.

Don't begrudge them pick 2 at all. It's warranted, and in the context of the two blokes being schoolmates, good luck to them.

Be shocked if pick 2 wasn't coming the Suns way. And Rowell and Anderson would love it.

Correct. Only difference now is salary I think.

That is certainly the case.
Makes me sick that no other clubs have kicked up a stink about them getting an early PP.
Last year they cried foul, Bevo even said we can't compromise the draft.
Seems it is a different case when we are not involved.

Its really about the Carlton policy now where they want the younger players getting a game. Thats why they moved on Daisy (who was just starting to hit his straps).
Ellis makes too many mistakes and there are younger players in the team that he would hold back if we recruited him.

Ellis like Sam Gray is a list cloggers. We have gone down this path before. If we are going to take players from other clubs ... the minimum requirement is that they are a B Grade player.

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To me money isn’t the ultimate panacea
To me it’s ridiculously in equable given what they have produced
Even when fit Cuningham goes missing too much in games
It comes down to players being overrated because of how they were rated as juniors and it works the other way such as in Gibbons case

From what I saw this year Gibbons is a better footballer
Cuningham could be really good and he hasn’t had a good run with injuries but he simply goes missing too much when he is fit
In my view both should have offered 2 year deals

I think you're saying Gibbo should have been added to the main list, but as a SSP rookie we are able to re-sign him as per the current rookie-list rules. It will all pan out better for Gibbo in the long run if his 2020 is equal or better than his 2019.

Ok
What about Cuningham s output when fit
It’s no greater than what Gibbons produced this year

Lets see.

Good reason to back Cunners in. He's not costing us a bomb and I'd rather take the punt on him than a kid starting from scratch.

Cunners fit is much better than you seem to portray him imo. We all saw what he CAN do this year.

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I think you're a bit bias and really harsh with your grading.
Ellis doesnt make too many mistakes as you suggest.
The proof is in the pot he earns week in week out for the last 5 years.
He's a Premiership player in a team with depth.
Do you really think he would be selected if he was the liability you say he is. Get real.

If we could get Ellis the kids can ply their craft and develop like most kids do in the twos.
Less stress on the kids, and they are not living under the microscope of supporters who expect them to be much much better than they are despite their selection in the draft.

Carlton has been trying to get games into the kids, because they have had no choice given the unbalanced state of their age profile.
Ellis fills the age void we have. We actually need him to improve our best 22 next year.
I don't want our seniors to be a kindergarten in 2020. We need more experience and stronger bodies in the seniors.

I want wins next year in the AFL and development in the VFL, with rewards for good form in the AFL. Period.

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Coniglio is off the table, signed 7 year contract with GWS
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/08/27/ ... ng-future/

Just curious on peoples thoughts, given we should be very flush for cash - I see no real reason not to pay out a few kids who dont seem likely - Mcgreadie (who i had real high hopes for) and Pulson in particular.

I can't see a reason to not turn their positions over - i'd rather a mature foot soldier on the list to add genuine depth.

No problem with that if they have no upside, and I too have high hopes for MacReadie.

Now Cogs is gone we could use that money to buy a couple contracts at $700,000 each, which would be 2 very good B+ players.

That would get us Macreadies and poulsons salray plus the war chest which is reportedly big enough to target 2 of Cognilio, Papley and Grundy.

Plenty to spend on mature players now gezman.

I am sure SOS has plenty of fires burning in the top 8 teams but they are playing finals.

Papley is probably in play because their season is over.
Crouch is another not playing. Haven't heard much about of late.
Tippa would be a great get. Just sayin'. ... to shit The Druggies. Offer him $700K.

I'm glad Cogs has decided GWS if he want going to pick Carlton.
Done dusted.

I wonder who else is in play as a target for SOS from the top 8 teams other than Ellis as a FA?

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