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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:15 pm 
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Moore?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:19 pm 
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I haven’t see BSOS play live since the preseason, but every time I saw him play he seemed to get a little better. I hope that one doesn’t come back to bite us.

Lang, Finbar & Goddard - no surprise.

I thought Moore, Macreadie & Polson would be delisted in the first round, it’s hard to see how they can survive the chop especially if there’s reduced lists next year.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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keogh wrote:
And Ben can have a roast with his mum and dad



Would that be duck with orange, duck with cherries, or "duck surprise"?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Well I am disappointed for Ben.
It must be a terrible burden to bear, having the Silvagni name at Carlton.
Just so, The time for pruning has arrived.
Good luck to all the boys.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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CK95 wrote:
keogh wrote:
And Ben can have a roast with his mum and dad



Would that be duck with orange, duck with cherries, or "duck surprise"?

Duck surprise
The one without orange or cherries
And then if you have a bit of reflux pop down to Chemist Warehouse


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:35 pm 
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850k for Williams.

Desperate


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Usually the club says something like,
"He will be picked up in the rookie draft if he doesn't end up elsewhere."

They didn't say that this time.
Doesn't rule it out.

It's easy to get caught up in the romance of the Silvagnis but maybe he just isn't good enough.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Jonosc1 wrote:
850k for Williams.

Bullshit

EFA

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Probably $2.5-2.75m over five years

He'll be getting 250-350k at GWS so literally double.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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Jonosc1 wrote:
850k for Williams.

Desperate


Tom Morris. He wouldn't have a @#$%&! clue.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:05 pm 
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Exactly how would Tom Morris have any idea about as credible as the Pooper Scooper :banghead:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:42 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Jonosc1 wrote:
850k for Williams.

Desperate


Tom Morris. He wouldn't have a @#$%&! clue.


Assumption
If he is being offered $850000 to $900000 a year
@#$%&! me dead :razz:

Then it wouldn’t be surprising when you talk about the Blues
Given past history
What’s the Gov on again
About $3500 a possession :smile:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:45 pm 
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Actually
700000/88
Equals $7954.54


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:52 pm 
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I will never understand this argument about why people get worked up about players salaries. It clearly doesn't seem to hinder us in getting in players we need so who bloody cares.
There are people employed at clubs to work all this stuff out.
You have a salary cap that the AFL demands must be spent so someone has to get it.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:03 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
I will never understand this argument about why people get worked up about players salaries. It clearly doesn't seem to hinder us in getting in players we need so who bloody cares.
There are people employed at clubs to work all this stuff out.
You have a salary cap that the AFL demands must be spent so someone has to get it.


Trouble is some are very overpaid


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:22 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Usually the club says something like,
"He will be picked up in the rookie draft if he doesn't end up elsewhere."

They didn't say that this time.
Doesn't rule it out.

It's easy to get caught up in the romance of the Silvagnis but maybe he just isn't good enough.

Not sure how we come to the conclusion he isn't good enough without playing him.
I think he's stiff.
Forget scratch matches which have the relevance of school yard pick up games, if he'd had a season of playing regular 2nds games, and they decided to move him on then fair enough. But unfortunately circumstances didn't allow that.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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deano35 wrote:
I will never understand this argument about why people get worked up about players salaries. It clearly doesn't seem to hinder us in getting in players we need so who bloody cares.
There are people employed at clubs to work all this stuff out.
You have a salary cap that the AFL demands must be spent so someone has to get it.


Agree with this 100%. Unless a shortage of salary cap space causes a problem somewhere else (not being able to lure somebody we want or not pay an existing star enough so they leave) then who gives a crap if a footy player gets more cash than we think they “deserve”?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:26 am 
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Yes agree too about salary particularly based on low rent journalists guessing what it is
Most of those idiots don’t even understand why we front ended Martins contract and what impact that has on the rest of contract.


Also ironic that we beat 17 other clubs to his signature including GWS who thought they had retained him 6 weeks ago and did not need to give up picks and simply paid a decent salary when we are cashed up and we are criticised .
We get a guy that would be in the top 10 players on a list that is considered one of the best in the AFL .
We get a guy that has been bog in finals and played well in finals and is aged 26 years.
Ridiculous they should be applauding us for astute drafting .
We have finalised this well before the trade period so it enables us to pursue other alternatives in the trade period.
So looks like sour grapes to me


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
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It is so hard to win flags these days, there is no room for sentimentality with regards to father sons. If you get one who turns into a long term player then great but outside of that there shouldn't be any favouritism. Sad but true.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:56 am 
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The salary cap is somewhere around 13 million
It’s meant to go up every year till 2022.
Rookies get around $85000
O’Dwyer might have earned $200000 for not playing a game in 2 years

I don’t have an issue in paying players big money but they have got to be worth it
If Cripps is on $700000 plus he is worth every cent even this year. The guy was banged up and is targeted every week. Yet he will probably be in our top 4 in the B and F

The problem with the cap starts when you give 3 year contracts to guys like Plowman and Cuningham
Even the Plowman lovers would agree that his influence on games is minimal
Cuningham just isn’t delivering
Martin for what we are paying him is not a good bang for your buck

If Williams is being offered $900000 a year for 5 years that puts an enormous strain on the cap particularly for the future if COVID reduces it.

With Williams all of a sudden he is the flavour of the month
His career has involved mostly playing in the easiest position on the ground HBF
The guy is a good player. But overrated Has a great finals series in 2019 and now he is a star mid
This year hasn’t been great for him.
He has missed a few games and his stat count is low at around 17 possessions a game.

77 % of his possessions have come in the back half

And now he is going to be a star running mid


He will be targeted by opposition teams if he comes here. And he has to impact games big time to be worth that salary
And he won’t put us into the Finals unless these mids SOS recruited pull their finger out and come on

It’s the big banana theory all over again and
Folks it doesn’t work unless your knocking on the door

What’s that song by Split Enz
History never repeats
Doesn’t apply to Royal Parade


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